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[benben]

my mum is hakka from guangdong near the shenzhen area ; she was the only family with the surname chou in her village , do people know much about this surname and how it relates to hakka people?

Edited by benben, 17 October 2006 - 03:07 PM.

[ThundaKat]

is southern chinese women from guangdong generally tall???
and do chinese man have chest hair???

No, chinese women from southern china are usually short. My mom is around 5feet 1inch tall. As for chest hair i dont think chinese people have alot of chest hair. lol

[DearCoolZ]

my mum is hakka from guangdong near the shenzhen area ; she was the only family with the surname chou in her village , do people know much about this surname and how it relates to hakka people?
i read in hakka forum that some hakka people process wavy hair and light brown eyes, if so is it common in other non hakka chinese people?my aunty have wavy black hair with light brown eyes but she does not look caucasian in the contary in my opinion she looks very chinese.
my sister and i was born with light brownish gold hair which turned black at the age of 5 , is this common in most chinese kids????my 2nd sister did not have the same goldness as us in her hair when she was younger...
My dad's mother is also hakka and she was very tall ,, is southern chinese women from guangdong generally tall???
and do chinese man have chest hair???
if people know more than i do in these questions pls answer!??
thanxs

can you show me a pic of light brown eyes of hakka? a lot of chinese were born with light colored hair,because thats how most babaies were born into.

and no,southern chinese are rahter short on average.

[benben]

Every word in your fictitious post don't describe Hakka people in any way.

There is no answer this " laughable " for fun only as this post's hidden intention,nice try though.

sorry for mistakening you but there is no hidden intention , i was just refering myself to threads i read in other forums and making link to some of the claims to people i know in the family.

[benben]

[quote name='ocean view incubus' date='Apr 16 2006, 08:58 PM' post='4804567']
Having light brown eyes and having wavy hair doesnt mean anything, unless you describe in detail your crania, ie. is long, short, angular, narrow, does the forehead slope, or is there significant prognatism,etc.
[/quo]

i have a very big face but my mum has a very very small face !!! so where in china is the big faced common??

Edited by General_Zhaoyun, 01 April 2008 - 11:30 PM.

[aaronljx]

Sorry for thread intrusion but from my observation, Hakka tend to have a more tanned skin. Is it true or just geographical effects (Malaysia).

[General_Zhaoyun]

Sorry for thread intrusion but from my observation, Hakka tend to have a more tanned skin. Is it true or just geographical effects (Malaysia).

Whether they have 'tanned skin' has nothing to do with the genetic look of Hakka. If you are constantly working under the sun, your skin will become more tanned.

I've encountered alot of Hakka people in Singapore with quite fair skin.

[aaronljx]

What I meant was, are pure Hakka tend to look darker than any other Han-Chinese counterparts? Because I myself am a mixture of Hakka-Cantonese but my dad is pure Hakka and his whole family seems to be quite tanned. They don't work much under the sun and my grandfather and great grandfather open their own food stalls and most of the time they are in-door.

[General_Zhaoyun]

What I meant was, are pure Hakka tend to look darker than any other Han-Chinese counterparts? Because I myself am a mixture of Hakka-Cantonese but my dad is pure Hakka and his whole family seems to be quite tanned. They don't work much under the sun and my grandfather and great grandfather open their own food stalls and most of the time they are in-door.

If you look at the Hakka in Meixian (China) and Taiwan, alot of them are quite fair. The Hakka are generally of northern chinese stock. In fact they originated from Northern China before migrating to Meixian region in Guangdong province.

In general, northern chinese tends to be 'more fair' than southern chinese due particular to the food and climate [note that this is only a generalization].

The fact that your grandfather or ancestors tend to be darker is not because they are 'hakka', but it could be due to the fact that they probably have been mixed with cantonese (or other southern chinese) OR because they have been in South-East Asia for a long time and their complexion might change because of climatic and food condition. Your facial appearance and complexion might change or adapt to different environment. South-East Asia tends to have tropical and hot weather and naturally, the skin might evolve to be darker to resist the sun.

Thus, certain Hakka's complexion can change to be darker. But it would be wrong to assume that all Hakka are dark. Neither can we assume that all Hakka are fair. I guess, it depends on geographical location. Hakka in China or Taiwan can be quite fair. I've also seen Hakka in Singapore which are quite fair. Yet, there are also Hakka who are quite dark. Overall, it depends.

[Andy Lau]

well the hakkas when they came to Guangdong they were forced by the Cantonese to live in the mountains where the remaining Bai Yue tribes lived (the majority of them were either slaugtered or migrated to Vietnam). So that could be the reason why a fair amount of Hakkas are tanned and a fair amount are fair skinned.

The reason why the Bai Yue lived in the Maountains was because they were trying to hide from the Han army when they came to attack them and later resettled the area with Han settlements, which were known as the Cantonese who came mostly during the Tang and Song dynasty period. Many people from the Hangzhou area migrated to the Zhongshan - Xinhui - Taishan after the fall of the Song dynasty, but the majority came during Tang dynasty period from Henan then migrated to jiangxi then GD.

Edited by Andy Lau, 06 April 2008 - 09:36 PM.

[Andy Lau]

i think the hakkas lived in Jiangxi before coming to guangdong and there were already some bai yue tribes who lived in the fujian and jiangxi border, so perhaps that could be another factor.

[taiji in motion]

My friend's family who are Hakka from Vietnam are really fair. Their extended family who also married only with other Hakka and their offsprings are also really fair, pinkish skin almost mistaken for 混血 of Eurasian descent...but they are all pure blooded Hakka from Meixian Guangdong...and went back there many times (from overseas) to get married with their village folks thru relative's introduction:rolleyes: Haha!

[taiji in motion]

well the hakkas when they came to Guangdong they were forced by the Cantonese to live in the mountains where the remaining Bai Yue tribes lived (the majority of them were either slaugtered or migrated to Vietnam). So that could be the reason why a fair amount of Hakkas are tanned and a fair amount are fair skinned.

The reason why the Bai Yue lived in the Maountains was because they were trying to hide from the Han army when they came to attack them and later resettled the area with Han settlements, which were known as the Cantonese who came mostly during the Tang and Song dynasty period. Many people from the Hangzhou area migrated to the Zhongshan - Xinhui - Taishan after the fall of the Song dynasty, but the majority came during Tang dynasty period from Henan then migrated to jiangxi then GD.

"Slaughter" you mean the Han army actually "slaughtered" the Bai Yue tribes when they migrated down from the north? I would not think our civilized Han ancestor slaughterred all the Yue tribes though. Of course there were Yue elements who fought against and could not live with the Han, but also there was a large process of assimilation of Yue into Han culture and everybody kind of mingled, lived side and by side peacefully and evolved into the southern Chinese today. For those Yue tribes who live away from the Han settlements, they remained as the minorities of GD/GX today, like the Zhuang. Even though "Zhuang" may be created more for political reason then anything else, because from a cultural standpoint, the Zhuang (largest minority in China) is almost indistinguishable from Han. The "Zhuang " is almost a "model" minority that China would love to have for other minorities who are not so like...

BTW, Yue people also has fair skin and tan skinned folks! Evidence can be seen today in the Vietnamese with a mix of fair skin and tanned skin people (eventho the tanned skin ones are more likely non-Yue people of Malay Cham descent). Even for people in Zhejiang, who are mostly thought of as fair, there are also people who are naturally tan. I know some of them...

[Andy Lau]

"Slaughter" you mean the Han army actually "slaughtered" the Bai Yue tribes when they migrated down from the north? I would not think our civilized Han ancestor slaughterred all the Yue tribes though. Of course there were Yue elements who fought against and could not live with the Han, but also there was a large process of assimilation of Yue into Han culture and everybody kind of mingled, lived side and by side peacefully and evolved into the southern Chinese today. For those Yue tribes who live away from the Han settlements, they remained as the minorities of GD/GX today, like the Zhuang. Even though "Zhuang" may be created more for political reason then anything else, because from a cultural standpoint, the Zhuang (largest minority in China) is almost indistinguishable from Han. The "Zhuang " is almost a "model" minority that China would love to have for other minorities who are not so like...

BTW, Yue people also has fair skin and tan skinned folks! Evidence can be seen today in the Vietnamese with a mix of fair skin and tanned skin people (eventho the tanned skin ones are more likely non-Yue people of Malay Cham descent). Even for people in Zhejiang, who are mostly thought of as fair, there are also people who are naturally tan. I know some of them...

I'm guessing there were slaughters or killings as remember there was a mass killing (not sure which dynasty period) in Guangzhou by some Chinese General.... at that time of the killing there were alot of foreigners Arabs, Bai Yue, Chinese, etc and many were killed =/ Then later on the area got re-populated by more Han migration. I forgot which dynasty period did this happen though..

Edited by Andy Lau, 07 April 2008 - 12:29 AM.

[ReiKoko]

my dad is hakka and my mum is cantonese. my dad is quite dark, but my brothers and i are fair-medium, like my mum is, whereas my sister is naturally darker, though not as dark as my dad is.