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[Karakhan]

the Sakhalar (better known as the Yakuts), is the largest indigenous ethnicity in the Russian Far East (not to be confused with Siberia). Recent statistics show that they have their population is now the same as the Buryats in Eastern Siberia. They are the northern most, and eastern most Turkic group today. Their numbers are rather amazing, seeing as how most other ethnic groups this far north, barely go over 50,000. They primarily inhabit their own ethnic republic, the Sakha Republic, which is the 2nd largest constituent in the Russian Federation. Economically, it has done rather well due to efforts to take control over their massive diamond and coal industry from Moscow, retaining a greater percentage of sales. While there has been thoughts of seceding from Russia, it is probably unlikely. The republic itself is one of the few in Russia where the local language (Yakut) is dominant to the point that ethnic Russians also speak it. It is also home to the coldest inhabitted towns and cities on Earth.

Historically, their origins are disputed..but it is believed they originated around the Altai and Baikal, or even further south..due to the fact that they have words for camels, etc (stuff associated with more southern groups).. and practice horse herding, despite being far up north. Yakut legends indicate some kind of conflict with Mongols (some claiming Genghis Khan, others claiming the Buryats) that drove the Yakuts to migrate up north where they eventually settled in the Lena valley. It would seem that they were the only ethnic group able to with metal forging abilities when they arrived there. For the next several hundred years, it appears that they had little contact with any other major civilization and mostly ended up fighting Tungusic groups that were already there (the Evenkis), Paleosiberians, and to some extent, Uralic peoples (Nenets). They were eventually absorbed by the Russians who used the Lena Valley as a strategic outpost to continue expansion into Kamchatka, and down into the Amur regions.

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[Karakhan]

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[DearCoolZ]

they look rather tungusic to me. perhaps due to mixing with the evens and the evenkis?

[Karakhan]

they look rather tungusic to me. perhaps due to mixing with the evens and the evenkis?

Evens came after the Yakuts I believe.. but it is true that Evenkis and Evens ended up being assimilated into them.. most speak Yakut instead of their own language.. but the thing is..their numbers are very very small.. and the Yakuts are much larger. They (along with Tyvans and southern Altaians) are closest to what original Turkic peoples looked like. I think you probably saw, but I posted some Evenki and Even pics in another thread in this section. I'll post more if you want.

[DearCoolZ]

Evens came after the Yakuts I believe.. but it is true that Evenkis and Evens ended up being assimilated into them.. most speak Yakut instead of their own language.. but the thing is..their numbers are very very small.. and the Yakuts are much larger. They (along with Tyvans and southern Altaians) are closest to what original Turkic peoples looked like. I think you probably saw, but I posted some Evenki and Even pics in another thread in this section. I'll post more if you want.

yeah,i just saw your other post about the tungusic people. the shape of theiy eyes is very interesting,it seems like that nonone of them have double eyelids. all single eyelids.weird.

northern tungusic people:
http://dubrovskaya.l...com/203892.html

Edited by DearCoolZ, 23 April 2006 - 03:43 AM.

[Karakhan]

yeah,i just saw your other post about the tungusic people. the shape of theiy eyes is very interesting,it seems like that nonone of them have double eyelids. all single eyelids.weird.

northern tungusic people:
http://dubrovskaya.l...com/203892.html

about that site, just wanted to clarify that not everyone there is Tungusic, although about half the pics are. The blogger of that page doesn't really mention which group is which for alot of them. Total though, there are Finno-Uralics (the Nenets and Saami), Tungusic (evenki and even), Paleosiberian (Chukchi), and only 2 or 3 pics of Yakuts/Sakhalar. Yakuts are usually easier to tell by their furrier and more elaborate coats (assuming they are wearing traditional costume).. but sometimes the reindeer herding ones dress like Evenkis too..and even I get confused

[WangKon936]

the Sakhalar (better known as the Yakuts), is the largest indigenous ethnicity in the Russian Far East (not to be confused with Siberia). Recent statistics show that they have their population is now the same as the Buryats in Eastern Siberia. They are the northern most, and eastern most Turkic group today. Their numbers are rather amazing, seeing as how most other ethnic groups this far north, barely go over 50,000. They primarily inhabit their own ethnic republic, the Sakha Republic, which is the 2nd largest constituent in the Russian Federation. Economically, it has done rather well due to efforts to take control over their massive diamond and coal industry from Moscow, retaining a greater percentage of sales. While there has been thoughts of seceding from Russia, it is probably unlikely. The republic itself is one of the few in Russia where the local language (Yakut) is dominant to the point that ethnic Russians also speak it. It is also home to the coldest inhabitted towns and cities on Earth.

Historically, their origins are disputed..but it is believed they originated around the Altai and Baikal, or even further south..due to the fact that they have words for camels, etc (stuff associated with more southern groups).. and practice horse herding, despite being far up north. Yakut legends indicate some kind of conflict with Mongols (some claiming Genghis Khan, others claiming the Buryats) that drove the Yakuts to migrate up north where they eventually settled in the Lena valley. It would seem that they were the only ethnic group able to with metal forging abilities when they arrived there. For the next several hundred years, it appears that they had little contact with any other major civilization and mostly ended up fighting Tungusic groups that were already there (the Evenkis), Paleosiberians, and to some extent, Uralic peoples (Nenets). They were eventually absorbed by the Russians who used the Lena Valley as a strategic outpost to continue expansion into Kamchatka, and down into the Amur regions.

Call me crazy, but I think they look Korean.

[WangKon936]

yeah,i just saw your other post about the tungusic people. the shape of theiy eyes is very interesting,it seems like that nonone of them have double eyelids. all single eyelids.weird.

northern tungusic people:
http://dubrovskaya.l...com/203892.html

For northern people to have majority single eyelid would make sense. The single eye lid helps reduce instances of snow blindness and protect the eyes from cold winds.

[MING-LOYALIST]

Is there any relation or historical interactions between Yakuts and Jurchens/Manchus?

[Karakhan]

Is there any relation or historical interactions between Yakuts and Jurchens/Manchus?

Not really. They are too far north, even at the peak of Manchu control. Although I would assume they should know of each other since the Evenkis came into contact with both groups. Some Evenki/Solon groups in China were errornously labeled as Yakut (probably due to the Russians).. and that's as far as any kind of linkage between them and China goes.

[redstick426]

They look like Japanese. I wonder what percentage of tungusic genes Japanese have in them.

[DearCoolZ]

They look like Japanese. I wonder what percentage of tungusic genes Japanese have in them.

not really

[redstick426]

not really

Well, just visualize them dressing in casual outfit . They definitely look like Japanese. The skin tone and the eye shape are commonly seen in Japanese population. I showed the picture to several Japanese, and they all claimed the three girls look exactly like Japanese. Chinese (regardless of Northen Chinese or Southern Chinese)or Korean generally do not have the facial feature as the three girls.

[DearCoolZ]

Well, just visualize them dressing in casual outfit . They definitely look like Japanese. The skin tone and the eye shape are commonly seen in Japanese population. I showed the picture to several Japanese, and they all claimed the three girls look exactly like Japanese. Chinese (regardless of Northen Chinese or Southern Chinese)or Korean generally do not have the facial feature as the three girls.

what unique features are you talking about?
skin tones can vary,you will find dark skinned japanese the more southward you go.
higher check bone is common in koreans, and some northern chinese
you will find this shape of eyes in korea and china as well.
those are not uniquely exclusive features to japanese.

[redstick426]

what unique features are you talking about?
skin tones can vary,you will find dark skinned japanese the more southward you go.
higher check bone is common in koreans, and some northern chinese
you will find this shape of eyes in korea and china as well.
those are not uniquely exclusive features to japanese.

I know high cheek bone and light skin are very common among Northern Mongoloid. I am talking about the overall facial feature. If I see them walking on the street with casual outfit, I will assume they are Japanese right away. BTW, are they Yakut or Evenks?