in the US, which is often depicted as a "violent society", when two people fight, once one is down, the other has won and steps out of the fight.
I think it's best to just take fights as individual experiences.
My friends who practice submission wrestling try to end it with the other person giving up, but it can get nasty, it's a fight, maybe alcohol is involved.
And I've heard my black friend joke before "I'm a nigga, I have to stomp him if he's down!"
then there's that famous curb stomp scene in American History X.
as for face...
I get the feeling perceived cultural differences get overblown by both sides for the sake of being... in a weird way, understanding of differences. Everybody has face. Americans are a people very concerned about face. Look at High School, who's dating who, who's wearing what, nerds and jocks seen where? or at least the dramatizations in entertainment, heheh.
Maybe here we call it reputation, street cred, reliability, keepin' it real, whether a girl's nice or a slut, etc.
hmmm, perhaps Rappers are the best example of Face in America, heheh.
*there's this manual issued to US soldiers during WWII in China, one part of it was about Face
I liked how they described it : "It's simply a person's reputation." then goes on to say that Chinese may have different priorities than Americans, but same basic idea. Or was it Self respect, it was a word like that.
then they gave an example of a hypothetical John Johnson, who's been with the company for X decades. He's being outshined by younger employees that understand modern business better, but the company respect's mr. Johnson's need to save face, so they 'promote' him to another position. Or something like that. And that was a soldier's pocket guide to understanding 'face'.
Edited by TMPikachu, 27 November 2007 - 05:47 PM.