No, read my words again. I am arguing against the American neo-liberal philosophy of radical individualism. I am saying logically speaking there is no such thing as an abstract individual that exists in a vaccum. There is strictly speaking no such thing as a purely free personal choice, and we should not even act as if there really are these perfectly free individuals roaming around.
No, you are not answering the question, let me rephrase it another way:
Is choosing one's college major a purely free personal choice?
According to you, it is not.
But it only translates to the fact that nothing that anyone choose can be termed as "purely free personal choice."
Not the choice of college major, not the choice of college, not the choice of careers, not the choice of sports we play ... etc.
Therefore, harping on it is meaningless.
No it is the objective truth. Western radical individualism is illogical.
And who is talking about Western radical individualism?
Firstly, you have no right to say to another person: "You have an inferiority complex". I usually find that people who say such things have a deep-seated inferiority complex themselves.
It goes both ways, people who deny it have deep-seated inferiority complex.
I cited inferiority complex as an instance, not a blanket designation. Get that right.
What you know is irrelevant. I have repeatedly stressed that this is not a personal discussion.
It is not about whether this is personal discussion, it is about whether our actual experiences and personal observations of the people around us supports or detracts from the proposition.
When the choice is based on racism, it is racism. What you said here is irrelevant.
Irrelevant to what?
In the context of a guy asking a girl a for date and being turned down for racist opinions on the girl,
what is racism relevant to?
Relevant to the guy? Or relevant to the girl? Or relevant to a third-party?
When there is systematic discrimination, of course something should be done about it.
Rosa Park was a victim of systematic discrimination. She was being denied her rights.
If you say there is systematic discrimination in the dating scenario, who is the victim?
Wait, I see you answered that further below, so I'll address it there.
What you said before is that every person who complains about this issue must have an inferiority complex.
Show me where in my post did I say that. You are just putting words into my mouth.
Wait a minute. You were suggesting that the lack of confidence is the cause of the disparity. But here you say "confidence problem is not an issue particular to specific ethnic groups". Therefore how can confidence be the cause of the disparity?
First, it is a
cause, not the
Second, I said individuals of other ethnicity can and do suffer from lack of confidence.
It does not mean it will translate into a disparity in the dating scene.
I hope you are not suggesting that when a girl rejects a guy solely due to his race, it is the problem of the guy. What should the guy do? Change his race?
No, I am asking you a very pointed question: who is the victim?
Whose problem is it since you are insisting that there is a problem?
I was not talking about the so-called "dating protocol". The reason I made that parallel comparison is to show that in both cases, it is racism.
And your parallel comparison is invalid because you are assigning incorrect roles to the person asking for a date and the person deciding whether to accept a date.
But the prerogative can still be a racist one, it can still be an unjust one, in which case it should not be respected, merely tolerated.
Whether it is just or unjust, it is still a prerogative.
Whether it should be respected is a matter of personal opinion, but ask yourself this question: do you allow the opinions of other people to influence what is your own prerogative?
I have already said many times, this is not a personal discussion. Please do not "lecture" me.
This is the last time I will respond to any personal remarks. From this point on, if you make a personal remark again, I will simply ignore you.
It is not a personal remark. You are insisting on fitting a square peg into a round hole by attributing the wrong roles to the person asking for a date and the person deciding whether to accept it.
Being a "nerd" is not a fundamental attribute of a person. When A considers B to be a nerd, C might not do the same. In addition, fundamentally a nerd can stop being a nerd and change.
You don't get it. It is not about fundamental attribute but the perception.
Girl A might consider going out with an Asian guy as uncool but Girl B might not.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in being an Asian guy itself.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in being a nerd either.
Whether going out with a nerd is uncool and whether going out with an Asian guy is a matter of perception.
That is the comparison between nerdism and racism I am drawing to.
Please tell me, when a guy is rejected solely because of his race, how is that not racism?
The prospective employer is obliged
to consider all candidates without regards to their ethnicities.
Is a girl supposed to be obliged
to consider all guys who ask her for a date without regards to their ethnicities as well?
If she is not under such obligation, what is the point of making this an issue of racism?
You are absolutely right. To be rejected solely because of race is to suffer racism.
What do the so-called "victims" of racism in the dating scene want?
The right not to be denied for dates because of their race?
What kind of a right is it for a guy to tell a girl "You cannot reject dating me solely because of race."?
And how exactly do you know that people who complain about racism in dating are not proud, confident people?
What I said was victims of racism like Rosa Parks are proud people and assert themselves and stand up for their rights.
Rosa Parks stood up to the bus driver, the bus company and the police.
Now, who exactly are the people who complain about racism in dating standing up to?
Asian guys do not need this. But girls might absorb these stereotypes and reject Asian men by default as a result of it.
So the problem seems to be these girls are too gullible.
Huh? When did I say I am intrinsically against the idea of inter-racial dating? I have repeatedly said that I am not against it.
Can anyone imagine Dr. Martin Luther King, having made his "I have a dream speech.", refusing to answer the question whether he got any non-black friends or shook hands with a non-black?
The reference to King is not about whether you are against inter-racial dating.
It is about you refusing to answer the questions about whether you have any real-life experience or real-life observations in support of your views.
If Martin Luther King refuse to say whether he got any non-black friends after maing his famous speech, he undermines his own credibility.
Edited by snowybeagle, 10 May 2006 - 11:28 PM.