You talk as if vietnam is the center of all "bai yue" people.
Most of the "bai yue" are the tai-kadai group of people. Vietnamese are assumed to be 'mon khmer' stock although this is debatable. Bai yue includes tai-kadai, mon khmer, miau yao etc. These different groups are as related to each other as they are to sino-tibetan.
Vietnamese are ethnically similar to Bai Yue people, in ancient times both Vietnamese and Aboriginal peoples in Southern China were called Yue. Do you mean Sino-Tibetan as in Han Chinese? If so, the Bai Yue tribes cannot be "as related to each other as they are to sino-tibetan". Historical records describe Bai Yue as shorter, darker and having different facial features to Han Chinese. Also, their language and culture compared to Han Chinese were very different, which was why ancient Han called the Yue peoples as 'Nam Man' or southern barabarians.
Most tai-kadai group of people still reside in gwangxi and yunnan, so how can they be all 'driven' to vietnam ? Anyway, when the han chinese conquered the south during the qin to tang dynasty, vietnam was still part of china, so driving the yue to vietnam (as you claim) won't solve anything as it is still part of china.
It is just like driving the zhuang people from gwangxi people to tibet now when both provinces are part of china.
When a foreign force invades a nation, the people of the suffering areas would flee to more secure areas. So why can't Guangxi zhuang people flee to Tibet (if the conquerors were invading from Guangxi)? If people didn't flee to other provinces than how would you explain the millions of Han refugees fleeing North China to South China during East Jin, Jin invasion of North Song and Mongol invasion of Jin and Southern Song? The Han Chinese conquered the Yue kingdom of Nan Yue during the Han dynasty. The kingdom consisted of Guangdong and North Vietnam. So then conquest of the kingdom would of pushed the Yue peoples from Guangdong into North Vietnam.
I don't see most tibetans being driven away to india in this century ? I don't see manchurians being driven to outer manchuria/russia in this century ?
Some Tibetans were driven to India. But majority weren't because India was a totaly different nation with different culture, language etc. This cannot apply to Bai Yue as Bai Yue were essentaily the same as Yue in Vietnam + the Bai Yue and Vietnamese were in the SAME kingdom of Nanyue
Manchurians weren't driven to Russia because of the same reason stated above. As for why they weren't driven to outer Manchuria, was because they were not being conquered/ invaded, it was a mere change of government from Qing -> Republic, not an invasion as Han did to the Yues. Also, the Manchurians (the invaders) were largely assimilated with the Han (the natives), it is illogical to apply this example to Han and Yue as Han were the invaders while Yue were the natives + the Han never assimilated into the Yue.
You may want to deny that some southern chinese have bai yue blood but that is also the same thing as denying that some northern chinese have 'mongolian, manchurian' or other altaic blood.
I have never denied that. In my post i clearly stated that I understand Southern Chinese have incorporated Bai Yue blood. But I've also explained why the presence of Bai Yue blood would be VERY low in Cantonese+Hakka.
Edited by hky4eva~, 18 May 2006 - 03:47 AM.