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Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:33 AM

When did the hammer and nail started to appear in China ? Was it an indigeneous invention or imported from aboard ?


It has been ascertained that no one can name the inventor of the hammer or hammer-like tool as mankind experimented with various designs until remotely-recognisable one made its appearance. Are you referring to the modern-day incarnation or the ancient one? In my studies of Sumerian/Mesapotamian history and civilisation, they were the ones who invented many tools and instruments, a mallet-like hammer being one of them. Nails, I'm not so sure. ;)

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Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:42 AM

The hammer actually can be found everywhere. As you said, it is one of the most primitive and fundamental tool of humans everywhere. But it is the nail which I am interested in. More so as something in which the hammer strikes on not the type used for knitting.
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:53 AM

May not have your answer but- the architecture of chinese buildings are amazing.

Interlocking folds; no nails!

Were nails used for junks or did they use an adhesive?

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 02:01 AM

Zunjing de China History Forum members,

Hmm, it just seems like I am coming up with one silly question after another. Hehehe! Well, here is another one coming your way.

Statistically speaking, do Emperors have more princes than princesses? I mean it is very common that an Empress or a concubine would receive more favors from the Emperor for giving birth to a prince; however, most ancient people have overlooked at the fact that you have no control over having a boy or a girl. So, I am just wondering if anyone has looked at the statistics to see whether most Emperors did have more princes than princesses. I am not looking for any medical explanations, but facts that are purely based on statistics.

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Posted 01 November 2006 - 11:35 AM

I think sometime if the emperess or concubine who give birth to a princess,the princess will not record on the imperial family book and some princess will get expelled from imperial family as well ,the expel one will become a commoner i personal think .

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 01:52 AM

Zunjing de China History Forum members,

I am just curious as to who held the record for the following:

1.] Which Empress held the record for giving birth to the most number of children?
2.] Which Empress held the record for giving birth to the most number of sons?
3.] Which concubine held the record for giving birth to the most number of children?
4.] Which concubine held the record for giving birth to the most number of sons?
5.] Which Empress or concubine held the record for giving birth to the most number of daughters consecutively before giving birth to a son?

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:34 AM

Did any other household (nobility, plutocrat, officials') besides royalty have eunuchs as household staff?

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 11:31 AM

Changing the subject a bit... I was recently reading Master Jin Peh's Fung Shui column and he mentioned that bathrooms or "wet areas" were usually outside the house in ancient Chinese homes. In the case of, for example, a courtyard house... would it be outside the walls of the courtyard? Or a specific area outside the living areas, but still inside the confines of the walls?

Does anyone know this?

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 02:03 PM

hi I'm new and i have a question


when did the chinese start to use "special units" or professional warriors

you know those special kind of warriors who could take on a whole lot more.


one more which dynasty had the most cavalary or the best(and the yuan dynasty doesn't count ;) )
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Posted 20 November 2006 - 03:22 PM

hi I'm new and i have a question
when did the chinese start to use "special units" or professional warriors

you know those special kind of warriors who could take on a whole lot more.
one more which dynasty had the most cavalary or the best(and the yuan dynasty doesn't count ;) )


I see two parts to your question:

1. When did the Chinese start to use "special units," which are special forces?
2. When did the Chinese start to employ professional warriors, which are full-time soldiers who do not farm (except under the Fubing system) and earn pay?

I do not know the answer to the first one, but I can guess that the military elite consisted mainly of the aristocracy.

Professional soldiers, in small amounts, existed even during the Zhou Dynasty, though the backbone of the army was its chariots. Professional amies became massive during the Warring States period and remained large throughout imperial China. Professional soldiers were prevalant in China for several reasons:
1. China had a relatively short period that resembled feudalism--Pre-Warring States.
2. China has had a traditionally dense population and could afford to deploy larger armies.

I'm not sure if standing armies, e.g. professional soldiers, existed during the Shang Dynasty.

General Zhaoyun discusses Chinese military history here, as does Snowybeagle, and there's a thread discussing Warring States military here.

Finally, here's a thread that discusses Chinese feudalism, a hereditary warring class, professional armies and more. From that thread:

as we all should know, during Xia, Shang and Western zhou, the nobility were the warriors. period.and by Eastern Zhou you had knights called 士(japanese use this character to occasionally denote Samurai). The Warring states era changed this by introducing large conscripts to augment the professional Shi

but thats pre-Imperial China and we're focusing on Imperial China.

the existence and importance of a professional warrior "class" during Imperial China came and went and changed constantly. This is compounded by the difficulty of labelling a "class" in Imperial China when class systems were no longer rigid.

i am simply arguing that the difficult skills that would be tested in a Chinese military examination such as standing archery, horseback archery, cavalry lance/sword techniques, weight lifting,etc,etc would only be passed by people who were career warriors. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Chinese cavalryman were of poor quality EXCEPT in certain periods of stagnation. These periods of stagnation in quality can also be said of Khitan warriors during the late days of Liao.

Here are some examples throghout Imperial China reflecting the fluxating concepts of professional warriorhood

-by the reign of Han Wu Di, he clearly saw that large conscripted peasent armies were ineffective against the Xiong Nu. He made cavalry the main striking force of the Imperial Army smaller in number but higher in quality. This created as David A. Graff puts it, a semi professional army of the Han dynasty IE life long career soldiers
-During the Sixteen kingdoms era, Ran Min's forces were small (all Han Chinese) yet clearly they were professionals seeing as they were able to defeat large nomad armies several times their size
-During the Tang dynasty, most campaigns rarely had over 10,000 men and clearly did not rely on semi-trained peasent conscripts. As we also know, by the end of the Tang, the country was run by warlords (professional warriors)

even as late as the Ming dynasty, military positions were hereditary(this particular system inherited from the Yuan dynasty). the government gave tracts of land to these warriors so they could make a living in times of peace but they were expected to train their skills constsantly. General Qi was NOT just any officer. He inherited his position from his father. While this system was obivously not as static as feudal Japan's, the children of high ranking military officers were bound to their father's position. Stephen Selby goes in depth in his book Chinese archery regarding this.


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Posted 25 November 2006 - 05:18 PM

Thanks allot verry informative


but i still didn't get an awnser 2 my second question about the cavalary
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Posted 26 November 2006 - 06:45 PM

Thanks allot verry informative
but i still didn't get an awnser 2 my second question about the cavalary


In my opinion, the Tang had the best cavalry because it was effective. Here's a thread about the Tang cavalry.

Other useful cavalry threads:
Chinese Cavalry
Cavalry Encirclement Tactics
Chinese Cavalry Weapon
When did cavalry units first appear in China
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 12:23 PM

I think sometime if the emperess or concubine who give birth to a princess,the princess will not record on the imperial family book and some princess will get expelled from imperial family as well ,the expel one will become a commoner i personal think .


Zunjing de China History Forum members,

It is well-known that Ancient China has always been a male dominated society. It was a given that boys were treated better than girls in the same way that Princes received more privileges than Princesses. However, I believe that Princesses were still a relevant part of the Imperial Family. Hence, it would be ridiculous for some of the Princesses’ names to not be recorded in the Imperial Family’s records. This would only make sense if the status of the Princesses were not high enough or if they get expelled from the Imperial Family. In fact, when a Prince or Princess gets expelled from the Imperial Family, their name is still recorded in the family tree with the word “EXPELLED;” however, their offspring won’t be listed as members of the Imperial family.

Does anyone have anymore information regarding this issue and would like to share?

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 01:27 PM

I have another question for all... the Chinese men who ended up working on the American Railroad in the 1800's... what region of China did they come from(ethnicity?)? Or were they recruited from various regions of the country?

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 02:49 PM

I have another question for all... the Chinese men who ended up working on the American Railroad in the 1800's... what region of China did they come from(ethnicity?)? Or were they recruited from various regions of the country?

Thanks,

Kimchee


i believe majority were from the coastal areas along the south and southeastern, er, coasts. many came from guangdong, definitely. if you go to the old chinatowns in either the US or canada, they have a huge population of toisanese-speaking people from the region around the pearl river delta; ask the older generation and you'll find many have immigrated there 40+ years ago. my parents have been in toronto 30+ years; my great-grandfather immigrated in the 1930s.
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