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[Liang Jieming]

There goes my ideal notions, of beauty in femininity!

Shattered forever in my mind, the divinity of woman!

Gone and never to return, the image of female perfection!


(Next you'll be telling me that women fart too!)

[Centaur]

Well, I sure know that men perspire and women sparkle!

[Liang Jieming]

Well, I sure know that men perspire and women sparkle!

Cool! We've been upgraded! Last time I heard that one it went something like this, "Men sweat, Women perspire."

[Centaur]

Cool! We've been upgraded! Last time I heard that one it went something like this, "Men sweat, Women perspire."

Of course, we have to upgrade you guys, how else would we be sparkling?

[Prince of the South]

Empress Dowager Tzu Hsi was said to smuggle in false eunuchs to fulfill her sexual appetite.

The rest had girls as well as children handed to them, while she had to sneak them in.

IMO she might be the biggest horndog.


You must have been influenced by a certain Sir Edmund Blackhouse who had written a lot on Ci Xi being an expert sinologist during his time, a contemporary of Ci Xi, and he claimed to have had sex with Ci Xi corpse! A lot of history written on Ci Xi was influence by the works of Blackhouse, who was revealed to be an utter fake and "fantasy" writer. Go figure.

It is dubious whether the Xian Feng Emperor contacted STD, but he was known not to have good health and Tong Zhi was said to frequent whorehouse and died of certain STD, which the court recorded as small pox, not malaria. i think

[TheInventorOfCalculus]

At the risk of offending someone here, I'd say Mao and his preferrence for "little" girls. Having lots of concubines or perverse acts done with adult women all pale in comparison to child porn in terms of disgust in my book.

Where is your evidence for this? That absurd 'Private Life' book? The even more idiotic Jung Chang book (which cites the Private Life book)?

[Sephodwyrm]

Xian Feng probably died from alcoholism.

I personally think that one of the Liu-Song emperor was very...screwed...he forced bestiality upon some court maids...

[Moon]

I guess we're really talking about which ruler was horniest.

Han Wudi (Liu Che)

Han Chengdi (Liu Ao)

Jin Wudi (Sima Yan)

Shi Hu of the Later Zhao

Qi Wenxuandi (Gao Yang) of the Northern Qi

Zhou Xuandi (Yuwen Yun) of the Northern Zhou

Sui Yangdi (Yang Guang)

Wanyan Liang of the Jurchen Jin dynasty(known posthumously as the Prince of Hailing, rather than as an emperor, because he was overthrown and killed)

Ming Wuzong (Zhu Houzhao), the Zhengde emperor

I read from somewhere that the last emperor from Yuan Dynasty was also one of the kind mentioned above.. cant remember his name though... was it Wanyan Liang of the Jurchen Jin dynasty?

[Moon]

I did a google search for the last emperor of Yuan dynasty.. but couldnt find any articles on the one I was referring to. A mistake. I am currently reading and half-way through, a Chinese book on Ming dynasty 明代十六朝. It has a brief intro on Yuan dynasty of one last emperor (shun di 顺帝) who was extremely horny + lecherous and perverted before Yuan dynasty collapsed and Ming dynasty took over.. Mean time a brief post I searched from google:

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The last emperor, Togon Temur, came to the Yuan throne in 1333 and ruled until 1368. His thirty-five year reign was not, however, a glorious one. From the start, Togon Temur was beset by rebellions. At first these were minor, but as they often took place beyond the reach of his armies, these small sparks steadily grew. By 1360, the rebellions had increased in severity. In addition, civil wars flared between various Yuan family members and frontier wars erupted. Perhaps the most divisive factor in Togon Temur's reign was corruption. Fiscal irresponsibility and neopotism among the royal family and the bureaucracy rendered the government ineffectual against domestic and foreign threats. Unity even among the Mongols slipped.

Finally, Togon Temur's reign took place during a period of natural disasters. The Yellow River flooded and famine resulted. Because of the government's inability to carry out concerted action, corvee labor could not maintain the system of dams, levees, and dikes that normally held floods in check. With the floods, grain fields were inundated and crops ruined.

By 1368, the badly fragmented Yuan dynasty had collapsed in China. Although most of the Mongols fled, many Mongol families remained to serve the successor Ming dynasty. Deposed in China, Togon Temur declared himself ruler of the Northern Yuan in Mongolia, but he found little success even in the traditional homeland of the Mongols. The descendents of Ariq Boke, Qubilai's brother and rival for the throne, dominated Mongolia at this time, although they were still nominal subjects of the Yuan dynasty. They sought their revenge. In addition, Mongols in the Oirats tribes in Western Mongolia were ruled by chieftains not descended from Genghis Khan, and they also did not wish to see a central power established in Mongolia.

Thus attacked from the north and west by Mongols and from the South by the Ming Dynasty, Togon Temur and the Northern Yuan never really stood a chance of success. In 1270 he fell in battle, somewhat ironically, at the old Mongol capital of Karakorum which Kubilai Khan had forsaken. The final claimant to the Yuan throne, Togus Temur, died in battle in 1388, and there the line of Kubilai Khan ended.

Dr. Timothy May
Assistant Professor of History
Young Hall
North Georgia College and State University
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I wonder if Togon Temur was 顺帝?

Edited by Moon, 13 July 2006 - 08:21 PM.

[qrasy]

The last Emperor of Yuan is recorded to be 惠宗(顺帝) (孛儿只斤妥懽帖睦尔).
So it seems that it's the same person.

Edited by qrasy, 14 July 2006 - 02:59 AM.

[Moose]

Cool! We've been upgraded! Last time I heard that one it went something like this, "Men sweat, Women perspire."

You heard the kinder version, the version i heard was "Men and pigs sweat, women perspire".

[NWOG]

At the risk of offending someone here, I'd say Mao and his preferrence for "little" girls. Having lots of concubines or perverse acts done with adult women all pale in comparison to child porn in terms of disgust in my book.

How "little" was the little girls?

And how is sex with children viewed in China?

Was it known that he did this, or was it unkown to the public?

Edited by NWOG, 25 July 2006 - 11:58 AM.

[Borjigin Ayurbarwada]

I would certainly nominate Shi Hu of the later Zhao. He will randomly decapitate the best looking concubine and serve them in a plate to his ministers to show them that it wasn't the ugly ones that was killed.

[Suren911]

This thread is really eye opening. I will never look at Chinese emperors/empress the same way ever again. Ever. (T_T)


Eh, 30 year old plus men married young girls under 13 years of age all the time. My great grandma was married at age 11 (basically go to the guy's house as a worker) and then "formally" married at age 15.

Sex with young children was very often in ancient China. A lot of kids were abandoned and became slaves or studied after a master in acrobats or acting. Some were barely 10 years of age and were often sent to rich people's houses for entertainment among other things.

Edited by Suren911, 23 August 2006 - 01:27 PM.

[Howard Fu]

My great grandma was married at age 11 (basically go to the guy's house as a worker) and then "formally" married at age 15.

I guess it's called tongyangxi in China.

The official age of a girl to get married in ancient China is 15. If a girl didn't get married by 18, her parents will be worried. It's not pervert. The ancient people just get marriedc earlier. The indians also have this kind of practice. Gandhi's wife get married at 12, I remember.