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#1 Yun

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 11:22 AM

"You're impossible!" I smiled and walked over to help her stoke the fire, belately noticing that she was using newspaper as kindling. "Huh? Where did you get this?!!?" I exclaimed, trying to salvage as much of the unburnt paper as I could. Newspapers from Chang'an were rare so far from the capital and I could see that this copy was only a week old! That's practically first hand news! Hungrily I plonked my a*** down onto the floor in front of the fire and started reading the newspaper... or at least the parts that were not yet burnt.

[Jieming, newspapers didn't exist in the Tang dynasty. ;)]

Han Qi moved up to say something to Zhao who curtly ordered him back.



[Ur, Syed mentioned in his last narration that Zhao had left Han Qi in the courtyard to watch Bashar and Prefect Zhang, rather than bringing him in to the assault on the Governor's office.

Also, your narration suggests that the remaining Black Ones committed suicide. This is rather implausible considering that they are Muslims, for whom suicide is forbidden (we'd better not go into the more current issue of suicide bombing, which is complicated).]
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 11:34 AM

[Ur, Syed mentioned in his last narration that Zhao had left Han Qi in the courtyard to watch Bashar and Prefect Zhang, rather than bringing him in to the assault on the Governor's office.

Also, your narration suggests that the remaining Black Ones committed suicide. This is rather implausible considering that they are Muslims, for whom suicide is forbidden (we'd better not go into the more current issue of suicide bombing, which is complicated).]


Amended as necessary. Since i did not specify what actually happened to the Black Ones I will leave it for the time being. Will be interesting to see what actually happened.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 03:24 PM

[Sorry, YZB has just started school and is not quite in the shape to think up any lengthy RP posts.]
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 09:16 PM

[Jieming, newspapers didn't exist in the Tang dynasty. ;)]

[It's the Chang'an Daily! Hmmm... I thought there was a limited circulation newspaper out by the mid Tang in the capital. Ok, will amend the post once I think of something more suitable.]

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 09:26 PM

[Weren't there announcement guys with really tall boards? Kinda like the newspaper-in-a-person, "hear ye hear ye" guys.]


[only town criers of England and perhaps in America... never heard of it during the Tang Dynasty... maybe just the Imperial proclaimations that are pasted near official places... think there are soliders guarding it?]

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 09:27 PM

[One possible alternative is copies of imperial edicts, which were indeed circulated all around the empire to be read to local communities by their officials and literate elites.

Burning one of these edicts, however, would be considered very disrespectful to the throne. If Baobei did use one as fuel for the cooking fire, AB would have reason to give her a little scolding.]
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 09:39 PM

[ :g: the penalty for the burning of the Imperial Edict is more than just a scolding... it was insult to the Imperial Throne and warrant high penalty, it might even involve banishment or death... need to check this up. Saw in shows (may not be true) the officials are extremely respectful of the Imperial edict and actually place it in a place of honor in their homes... so it would be difficult of Imperial Edicts to be taken lightly. Maybe 'huang pang' of Imperial proclaimation might do the trick... even then tearing of the 'huang pang' was considered an insult or often done as a gesture of acceptance of the task indicated in the proclaimation.]

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:00 AM

To all players and followers of Sitting and Drinking Wine at the Dragon's Gate Inn.

I am proposing this thread to hold discussions relating to the real history, politics and culture behind the collaborative storytelling game.

It can be used to point out anachronisms in the game, explain some of the history or why something is correct/wrong, e.g like how hemp rather than cotton is used for cloth, etc.

The purpose is two-fold.

1: to reduce the number of non In-Game posts. This will make SADWATDGI more readable as a narrative experience. To this end I encourage all players and readers to discuss and comment about the game here, think of this as a mini-Imperial Court for SADWATDGI. Folks hoping to join the game are welcome to post here and ask questions as well.

2: To learn more about the real history, culture and politics during China's golden age. Its wonderful if SADWATDGI gets more people interested in the Tang dynasty. At the same time it would be great to learn the real history behind the game, that will not only heighten one's enjoyment as player/reader but hopefully help us better understand the Tang dynasty through play.

Edited by Yun, 25 August 2006 - 12:25 AM.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:05 AM

OK, started it off by moving the newspapers discussion here. I will also be pinning the thread.
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Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:40 AM

Thank Ur for starting the line and Yun for moving some of lines over.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:16 PM

Does anyone know how Hemp feels like? (Clothes) Is it like jean rough?


Hemp would probably feel more like linen. I don' think it will be particularly rough, I suspect modern hemp will be quite soft enough. I did a check on the internet it apparently has a lot of the properties of cotton, highly absorbment etc. Given the processes of the olden days Hemp will be rougher.

Edited by urofpersia, 23 August 2006 - 01:03 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 12:23 AM

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Thanks Ur. Here's some pics of hemp.
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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:40 PM

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:42 PM

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:46 PM

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