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[Fobulous]

I have been to Xi'an and the Huis there spoke a different dialect..it's a Cross between Shan'xi dialect and Arabic. The mosques there are hybrids of Chinese and Arabic or Persian style, I can't really tell between Persian and Arabic (it looks the same to me) i asked the local Muslims and most of the ppl that i asked claim to be decedents of Persian Ancestry.

Btw, some girls there are extremely attractive! I saw one who actually has green eyes!!!!

[MING-LOYALIST]

Edited by MING-LOYALIST, 25 April 2006 - 08:33 AM.

[MING-LOYALIST]

Hui(Hui min) food.

Edited by MING-LOYALIST, 25 April 2006 - 08:34 AM.

[DearCoolZ]

What an interest perspective of Chinese Muslims,one would think they are primary of Arab descent blended in with local Hans.

By looking at many photos posted on this thread,those Hui Chinese do resemble Oriental people not typical middle-eastern looks.

thats because huizu's ancestor came from middle east about a thousand years ago. its long enough for us to be sinisized. but there are huis that only marries to other huis,they don't marrie to hans,and most of them look quite different from the hans.

[Karakhan]

What an interest perspective of Chinese Muslims,one would think they are primary of Arab descent blended in with local Hans.

By looking at many photos posted on this thread,those Hui Chinese do resemble Oriental people not typical middle-eastern looks.

its not a perspective, it is fact. There's been lots of studies done on Hui that take into consideration genetic factors and political factors. There's quite a bit of Bai, Cantonese, and even Tibetan Muslims..but they are all classified as Hui. There's also alot of regular Han Chinese and other ethnicities who got reclassified as Hui after the government benefits in the 80s.. who probably never had any Hui lineage at all. The physical features of Hui's can also vary from region to region, just like Hans. the Hui's having one root (that with Arabs and Persians) is simply nothing more than a government fabrication. In reality there are multiple roots, and most are classified as Hui simply because the government lumped any muslim group who does not have their own language, together. Keep in mind, that some Hui's are supportive of the governments claim. This is due to the fact that many who are very dedicated Muslims, will jump at any opportunity to link themselves to Arabs and Persians. There was a documentary done on some Muslim Africans on some island. The journalist was an African American who interviewed these Muslim Africans.. they would tell him that they are not Black, but Persian.. to which the American would say "you ain't look like no Persian, you come to Harlem and people think you just like any other black man". But, despite all that, they kept insisting they were pure Persians.

[DearCoolZ]

[quote name='kyopojin' post='4806478' date='Apr 25 2006, 04:41 PM']Can you locate some photos you can share on this forum ?[/quote]
notice this oldman's nose,almost like the arabic hawke nose, a lot of huis have that kinda nose.






















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[DearCoolZ]

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There's quite a bit of Bai, Cantonese, and even Tibetan Muslims..but they are all classified as Hui.

really? source?

There's also alot of regular Han Chinese and other ethnicities who got reclassified as Hui after the government benefits in the 80s..

its not like"ok,huis gets more benefits,therefore i will become a hui now" it does not work like that,you think the government just let people chose whatever ethnic they want to be?

The physical features of Hui's can also vary from region to region, just like Hans. the Hui's having one root (that with Arabs and Persians) is simply nothing more than a government fabrication.

its not a fabrication by the government. its a bloody fact that we huis have ancestors from arabs,persians and turkic muslims.

Keep in mind, that some Hui's are supportive of the governments claim.

they only make up a small percentage of huis

This is due to the fact that many who are very dedicated Muslims, will jump at any opportunity to link themselves to Arabs and Persians.

there are huis who have book records of theiy ancestors. and there are many huis look quite distinct from the hans.

There was a documentary done on some Muslim Africans on some island. The journalist was an African American who interviewed these Muslim Africans.. they would tell him that they are not Black, but Persian.. to which the American would say "you ain't look like no Persian, you come to Harlem and people think you just like any other black man". But, despite all that, they kept insisting they were pure Persians.

you know what? there is a african tribe that claims theiy ancestors were jewsyet they look just like anyother black,but genetic study shows that they do carry a gene from the jewish.

[DearCoolZ]

Edited by DearCoolZ, 25 April 2006 - 06:49 PM.

[DearCoolZ]

[MING-LOYALIST]

Personally I think most Huis are just converted Han's and look the same.
However there are some exceptions, also there was a genetic study that showed that some Huis had UP-TO 14% Caucasian genes.

"Chinese scientists have measured these various gene frequencies across
the modern populations of their country and these measurements provide
the basis for estimating the contribution of various Caucasoid-related
genes to the four minority groups in which we find them. Among the
Uyghurs, 'Caucasian genes' have been estimated at as much as 54 per cent
while the Kazakhs, who also occupy parts of Xinjiang, reveal about 34
per cent. To the east in Gansu we find the Dongxiangs with 25 percent
and still farther east in Ningxia are the Hui whose Caucasian admixture
is set at about 11-14 per cent. From these figures, the trajectory of
Caucasian genetic influence in East Central Asia and East Asia seems
quite clear: it originates in the west and diminishes toward the east."

p. 250, THE TARIM MUMMIES, ANCIENT CHINA AND THE
MYSTERY OF THE EARLIEST PEOPLES FROM THE WEST, by J.P. Mallory and
Victor H. Mair. New York, Thames and Hudson, 2000

BTW this applies ONLY to the Huis of NingXia autonomous region.
Other Huis are mostly converts.

Edited by MING-LOYALIST, 25 April 2006 - 07:14 PM.

[DearCoolZ]

Personally I think most Huis are just converted Han's and look the same.
However there are some exceptions, also there was a genetic study that showed that some Huis had UP-TO 14% Caucasian genes.

huis are an ancient people,whose record goes back in tang dynasty,when they were called,fanke(蕃客) whose ancestor came from persia,arab and central asia and mixed with local hans. most of huis are not converted,they were simplely the descendant of these arab,persian and other central asian traders

BTW this applies ONLY to the Huis of NingXia autonomous region.
Other Huis are mostly converts.

thats not true. as i came from a hui background and not from ningxia,i can safetly say that, there are lots huis that look quite different from the hans.






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回族--历史

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回族全称回回民族，是中国信仰伊斯兰教的一个少数民族。由古代中亚细亚人、波斯人、阿拉伯人与中国汉族等民族融合而成。
从历史记载看，回族的形成和发展有一个较长的过程。自7世纪中叶起就不断有大批阿拉伯人和波斯人沿水、陆“丝绸之路”来到中国，或出使，或贸易通商，或进行宗教和文化交流。水路来的留居广州、泉州、扬州、杭州等地，陆路来的活跃于天山南北、河西走廊、长安、洛阳等地，成为回族最早的先民。13世纪初叶，成吉思汗西征获胜后，征调和迁徙大批阿拉伯人、波斯人和中亚其他各族人来中国，以半军事、半屯牧的形式进驻各地，并与当地汉、蒙古、维吾尔等民族通婚，逐渐形成了回族这一新的民族共同体。因此，中国的回族与汉族之间，回族和其他各族人民之间，有着密切的姻亲关系。

回族由于长期与汉等民族杂居交往，受汉人文化影响较深，使用汉文、讲汉语。但也保留了一些阿拉伯和波斯语的词汇，诵读的经书大都是阿拉伯文。在文化、经济，特别是岁月习惯方面，具有鲜明的民族特点

Edited by DearCoolZ, 25 April 2006 - 07:24 PM.

[MING-LOYALIST]

If most are not converted then how is the Hui population so big?

Not to mention if the Huis shaved their beards and didn't wear a cap no one could tell the difference between Huis and Hans.

[DearCoolZ]

If most are not converted then how is the Hui population so big?

as i said b4,huis came from arab,persia and central asia almost thousand years ago,its enough time from them to grow to a big population. btw population of 8.6 millions of huis is not that big in china,there are far bigger ethnics in china than huis.

and what kinda excuse is this?

Not to mention if the Huis shaved their beards and didn't wear a cap no one could tell the difference between Huis and Hans.

thats not a very good analogy. there are huis that look like hans but there are also huis that look quite different from the hans,due to different backgrounds,some huis marriy to other huis only,thurs they look different from other huis because of that.

Edited by DearCoolZ, 25 April 2006 - 07:49 PM.