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[hansioux]

By the why, Miao and "Meng, Hmong or Mong" are different people according to my knowledge.  They live around the same area.  Spreading from GuangXi to Yunan, to Vietnam, Myermar and so on. 

The Miao in Vietnam actually worked with the US during the Vietnam war to fight the Viet Cong.  They were excellent mountain fighters.  Miao were looked down upon by the Vietnamese.  Therefore when the transition from the US to the South Vietnam took place, those Miao were relactant to fight.  A lot of them actually retreated to America with their comrades.

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I am glad that I have yet to find another hansioux out there in the world....

That makes it very easy to apply for email accounts XD

[Dusto]

I have a semi-related question to my original one: what ethnicity is the "evil cult" of "The Bride With White Hair" supposed to represent? I'm guessing Hui, but I could be wrong. They definitely seem to be non-Manchu, non-Han, yet the story seems to take place near the Manchurian border in the early to mid 1600's. Any ideas on this one?

[King Chi You Follower]

Here is a little history of who the Hmongs are. Archeological and anthropological evidences, oral traditions, Chinese imperial records, and scholars have traced the Hmong back to central Asia, possibly as early as 5000 B.C. It's believe the Hmong lived in China before the Chinese. At the time, it was not called China, but was called after the Hmong emperor's name. Then one day, the Chinese started to appear. They traveled to the Hmong kingdom from the direction of the Pacific Ocean. The Chinese migrated in, and started to work in the fields, and intermarried with the Hmongs. When the population of the Chinese surpassed the Hmong, the Chinese began to take over. Centuries of wars between the Hmong and Chinese broke out. With no fortune, a Hmong man was bribed to killed the Hmong Emperor, and was successful at doing so too. Since then, the Hmongs were persecuted, and forced out by the new emperor, a Chinese emperor. Today, the Hmongs are scatter all over the world.

[Borjigin Ayurbarwada]

I think you've misposted from another dimension.

[lobster]

What is it anyways? Chinese character please?

[King Chi You Follower]

I think you've misposted from another dimension.

hahaha...it's hard to believe but you can look it up and see for yourself

[Borjigin Ayurbarwada]

Why do I have to look it up. You provide the source.

[King Chi You Follower]

What is it anyways?  Chinese character please?

Even though the Chinese had label the Hmongs "Miao"...they called themselve "Hmong"...which means free man

[King Chi You Follower]

Why do I have to look it up. You provide the source.

very well...here is a very detail presentation at a conference done by Yuepheng L. Xiong...the intro is kind of long...so skip to the facts if you want

http://stickyrice.it...hmongchina.html

[King Chi You Follower]

very well...here is a very detail presentation at a conference done by Yuepheng L. Xiong...the intro is kind of long...so skip to the facts if you want

http://stickyrice.it...hmongchina.html

or if you don't want to read all that...here are some great paintings done by Cy Thao about the Hmongs history

http://www.chgs.umn...._migration.html

[Yun]

King Chi You Follower, I'm quite sure you're an ethnic Hmong yourself. Welcome to CHF - I hope we will all be able to put ancient enmities aside here. The sources that you quoted need not be authoritative by themselves, since they have a Hmong nationalist stance, but they are worthy of discussion.

I have merged this thread with an earlier one on the Miao or Hmong. The Hmong are said to be descendants of Chi You, the rival ruler whom Huang Di defeated and killed. Strange to say, some Koreans are also recently claiming Chi You as their ancestor.

[Gubook Janggoon]

I have merged this thread with an earlier one on the Miao or Hmong. The Hmong are said to be descendants of Chi You, the rival ruler whom Huang Di defeated and killed. Strange to say, some Koreans are also recently claiming Chi You as their ancestor.

Those crazy @#*&@^#.....

To the Korean Extreme Nationalists, he's known as Chiwoo Cheonwang...

I hate what they're doing...and to think that I once believed them..

[lobster]

OMG, I finally figured out what those English words ("King Chi You Follower") mean!

[hansioux]

OMG, I finally figured out what those English words ("King Chi You Follower") mean!

Miao was in China before the arrival of 羌 Qiang of 神農氏 (Yan Di) and 氐 Di of Huang Di).

So I don't see how King Chi You Follower's statement is so wrong.

[King Chi You Follower]

Miao was in China before the arrival of 羌 Qiang of 神農氏 (Yan Di) and 氐 Di of Huang Di).

So I don't see how King Chi You Follower's statement is so wrong.

Yeah...true