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#16 Yun

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Posted 26 November 2004 - 10:15 AM

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Here's an essay I wrote earlier this year about the Malacca Straits that might be of some relevance. It's a short one, and far from comprehensive or as well-researched as I would have liked. But it does give an unconventional perspective.

A Second “Isthmian Age” in Southeast Asia?

[The title of this essay is based upon that of Part VI of Paul Wheatley’s The Golden Khersonese: Studies in the Historical Geography of the Malay Peninsula before 1500 (Kuala Lumpur: University of Malaya Press, 1961). Wheatley used the term “Isthmian Age” to refer to the history of the Malay Peninsula up to 1400 (i.e. before the rise of Malacca).]

Since the 1950s and 1960s, historians have concluded, based on Chinese records, that the Straits of Malacca played a minor part, if any at all, in the earliest maritime trade between ports on the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea. Instead, “[t]ravellers on their way to China [from India] ended their voyage around the Bay of Bengal at the Isthmus of Kra, the peninsula’s narrowest point, and moved their goods overland to the Gulf of Thailand where their maritime journey resumed.” The reason for avoiding the straits, besides the perennial danger of pirates along the waterway, seems to have been that ships at that time “hugged the coast” and would have had to make a circuitous voyage around the Malay Peninsula, rather than sailing to or from the straits across the middle of the South China Sea.

The importance of this isthmus route led to the emergence of the first known Southeast Asian polity, Funan – a state with a seaport on the opposite shore of the Gulf of Thailand. By the beginning of the third century, Funan had extended its control to the Isthmus of Kra, where a “small but prosperous entrepot” called Dunsun became one of its tributaries. Dunsun was probably ruled by Malays, as were at least two other isthmus port cities, Panpan and Langyaxiu (Langkasuka), that emerged in the fifth and sixth centuries respectively. With their location astride the isthmus, these polities could both service the ships and handle the overland portage of goods.

However, by the end of the fourth century, ships had begun to bypass the isthmus and sail directly through the Straits of Malacca. Until recently, the general consensus was that the growing popularity of this all-sea route caused the port cities of the isthmus to slowly ‘wither on the vine’, while Srivijaya (based in Palembang, Sumatra) became the new emporium for maritime trade in Southeast Asia, its rulers suppressing or co-opting the pirates who had plagued the straits. [The earliest record of such a route being used, with a stopover in either Sumatra or Java, dates from 413/414 AD. Hall estimates the opening of the route at around 350 AD. Wang and Wheatley have interpreted a passage from the Later Han dynastic history as indicating the use of the all-sea route by 5 AD, but Wolters is very sceptical of this interpretation.]

But 20 years of archaeological work at Satingpra, at the southern end of the isthmus, have now shown that a port city flourished there until the end of the 13th century. Janice Stargardt proposes that it did so by constructing canals linking large lakes on the east coast (where the port was situated) to navigable rivers running down the west coast, and thus providing “almost continuous water transport across the Isthmus”. This trans-isthmian entrepot apparently continued to dominate the China trade, probably under Srivijaya’s control, until the decline of Srivijaya and the fall of the Southern Song dynasty ruined Satingpra’s trade network. Majapahit (in east Java) took over the hegemony of the region, but lost interest in maritime affairs by the early fifteenth century, allowing piracy to return and a power vacuum to develop. [Janice Stargardt “Behind the Shadows: Archaeological Data on Two-way Trade between Quanzhou and Satingpra, South Thailand, 10th-14th Century”, in Angela Schottenhammer (Ed.) The Emporium of the World: Maritime Quanzhou, 1000-1400 (Leiden: Brill, 2001), p. 358. Stargardt first published her findings in “The Isthmus of the Malay Peninsula in Long-distance Navigation: New Archaeological Findings”, in Archipel 18 (1979), pp. 1-25.]

The early Ming emperors then stepped in and fostered the rise of a new straits port, Malacca, ensuring the safety of the straits with naval patrols for a few decades. But Ming China’s presence on the seas faded as well, and control of Malacca eventually passed to a series of European powers, until the British gained mastery of the straits with possession of both Malacca and Singapore. Thereafter, the decline of Malacca’s harbour from silting ensured that its former preeminence would be taken over by Singapore. [Note: Wheatley, among other scholars, has suggested (based on accounts in the Sejarah Melayu) that Singapore had previously enjoyed some prominence in the fourteenth century, until its last ruler fled to Malacca. Since I wrote this essay I have also learned that until 1784, there was another important entrepot near Singapore - the island of Bintan, just south of Singapore, which was the capital of the properous Johore-Riau sultanate. The ruler of this sultanate was killed in an attack on Dutch-ruled Malacca in 1784, upon which the Dutch launched an attack on the sultanate and sacked its capital, leaving an economic vaccum that allowed the British to found Singapore in 1819.]

Today, Thailand’s keen interest in opening a canal across the Isthmus of Kra, as well as China’s reported interest in financing (and presumably controlling) it, threaten to not so much transform the trade route between two oceans as return it to what it was seven centuries ago. The rivalry between the bustling ports in Singapore and Johore may well be rendered as redundant as the ancient competition between trans-isthmian port cities. In modern accounts of the rise of Singapore, emphasis on the supreme advantage of its location at one end of the Straits of Malacca may lead one to question how trade prospered for more than a millennium without a port on the straits. My essay has tried to address that problem by pointing out that in history, trade routes have shifted significantly in response to developments in maritime technology and geopolitics, and are likely to shift again - whether we like it or not. [Note: In a remarkable irony, it emerges that Satingpra may also have been known in Sanskrit as Singhapura. This conclusion, made by Stargardt on the basis of “field data”, appears in Stargardt “Behind the Shadows”, p. 321. There is, however, reason to suspect the credibility of this revelation as Professor Geoff Wade of the Asia Research Institute informs me that Stargardt’s academic reputation is “very patchy”.]

For further reading about the Kra Canal on the internet, see: http://www.2bangkok..../kracanal.shtml
http://www.kracanal.or.th/dexeng.htm
http://www.thaipro.c...9_kra_canal.htm
http://www.asiatoday...ures/2004_1.asp
and http://www.gnasegara...gi?entry_id=410 (a fascinating forum exchange between gloating Malaysians and annoyed Singaporeans over the canal issue)
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Posted 26 November 2004 - 11:52 AM

Brothers? I had no idea GZ you had a brother. Welcome to CHF, who owned/held singapore or singapore's modern day territory in ancient times (during the Han)

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Liu Ce, I don't have a brother..it's starfire who is Yun's brother..
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:17 PM

Yep, I know I'm a late comer to this thread, but I've been looking for a thread about Singapore history. Now I know, like Hong Kong, Singapore was a British colony.

To Yun, your essay sounds great, but for people unfamiliar with Singapore geography, perhaps a map might help. I'll try and find one when I have spare time.
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:41 PM

Yep, I know I'm a late comer to this thread, but I've been looking for a thread about Singapore history. Now I know, like Hong Kong, Singapore was a British colony.

To Yun, your essay sounds great, but for people unfamiliar with Singapore geography, perhaps a map might help. I'll try and find one when I have spare time.



If you are referring to Yun's article, its better to know the geography of the Malacca Straits:

http://www.saag.org/.../paper1033.html

Now, look very closely. Singapore is that black dot at the tip of the Malaysia Penisular. Remember, just the dot, not the words 'Singapore'. Those islands under 'Singapore' belong to Indonesia, apologies to them as our country is so small we cannot even fit the letter 'S' much less 'Singapore'. :)
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:45 PM

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:47 PM

I wonder is the Kra canal going to be a reality or it is just idle talk that will fizzle out in years to come?
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 11:44 PM

I wonder is the Kra canal going to be a reality or it is just idle talk that will fizzle out in years to come?


Thailand have the ability to build it for decades, but high level corruption also deters it for decades. It had been idle talk for years already, it's fizzling for decades but wouldn't die either. Prominent folks in politics have personal ties to Singapore, and so its not getting built.

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 12:38 AM

It's also in the proposed area where the Thai government isn't too crazy about at the moment either.

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 12:47 AM

You mean the insurgent areas? Its above that if I remember correctly.

Anyways this site studies it (both Thai and English): http://www.thai-canal.org/

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 02:15 AM

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A Second “Isthmian Age” in Southeast Asia?
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This article reminds me of the Johor-Singapore Causeway.

A lot have been said about the forces behind the booming Metropolitan state.
One rather bizarre point i ever read in the newspaper points to the Johor-Singapore Causeway.
It is believed from the City State gets its chi from the Titiwangsa Range channelled through the Causeway! :icon15:

The ex-Primier of M'sia seems to buy this idea. :unsure:

Look at the new proposed design for the Causeway, it is an heated issue between the two governments.

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Posted 23 October 2005 - 09:37 PM

My Wui Goon (huiguan) is older than the Republic of Singapore, formed shortly after Sir Stamford Raffles decided to "promote" Singapore.

Zhongshan Huiguan, for cantonese from Zhongshan, Guangzhou.

Any Singaporean joined their Huiguans? It seems that the younger generations are lacking in their knowledge of their roots; well, even my generation (x) many do not know where is their ancestral village.

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Posted 23 October 2005 - 11:24 PM

Any Singaporean joined their Huiguans? It seems that the younger generations are lacking in their knowledge of their roots; well, even my generation (x) many do not know where is their ancestral village.


True, I think the younger ones probably dont know. But consider that Singaporeans in general know as little about the history of Singapore, I think that needs attention first. A large portion of Singaporeans still think English is our national langauge and I once had a fella tell me we are native English speakers with a straight face.
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Posted 23 October 2005 - 11:52 PM

I remember my primary school in Singapore (Kong Hwa Primary School) is a chinese school founded by Hokkien Huiguan 福建会馆 (association), that is also similar to Ai Tong primary school.

I think, in Singapore, there are 5 typical Huiguan in Singapore:

Hokkien
Teochew
Cantonese
Hakka
Hainanese

IIRC, the hainanese Huiguan is located somewhere along beach road.
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 12:09 AM

True, I think the younger ones probably dont know. But consider that Singaporeans in general know as little about the history of Singapore, I think that needs attention first. A large portion of Singaporeans still think English is our national language and I once had a fella tell me we are native English speakers with a straight face.


In Singapore, there are two types of Singaporean chinese: very westernized (english-speaking) chinese and more chinese-oriented (typically chinese-speaking) chinese.

The younger generation probably don't realise the importance of chinese culture and language until they enter the society (started working) and came into contact with Chinese folks from China, Taiwan and Hongkong. In general, the adults Singaporean (above 20s) are more awared of their chinese heritage than the teenagers.

There used to be chinese schools and english schools in the past. The result was the surfacing of different chinese in Singapore. The english-educated tends to speak english while the chinese-educated tends to speak chinese. You will notice this among the Singaporean between 40-50s age group. (Heck, some of the english-educated do not know chinese at all, and some chinese-educated do not know english at all).

But ever since the 1980s, all schools have been converted into english-stream. I guess there are pros- and cons for that. The economic importance of using english is noteworthy, but as a result of the lack of use of chinese language or the environment (unless it's in the traditional chinese school), many Singaporean chinese found learning chinese a burden. Many chinese Singaporean, esp. the younger generation, probably are losing their roots, with english gradually replacing their native language. This also makes the younger generation more westernized without any knowledge about chinese root culture. This happens predominantly in english-speaking Singaporean family.

Depending on who you've met, there are some english-speaking chinese-Singaporeans who probably think they are native english speakers, not realising the connotation of 'banana 香蕉人' (yellow outside and white inside). The thing is that no matter how westernized you are, you're still a chinese by appearance. A person without any root is just like a boat floating on the river without any direction. In chinese, I would call it 汪洋中的一条船. Some have the desire to learn chinese, and probably are eager to search for the roots, but lack the environment or practice to learn chinese.


In Singapore, because chinese are the majority here, and one sometimes does not feel the need to clinge onto one's native culture. But in places such as America where the chinese are the minority, the need to clinge to chinese roots can sometimes be greater, esp. under the pressure from family or chinese clanship not to be humiliated or mocked by being called "banana".


I personally realise the importance of chinese culture and my root at the age of 19, when I realise the english education I've received in Singapore tells me very little about chinese culture. After several years of chinese study, I'm personally proud of being well-versed in both chinese and western culture.

However, I'm still glad to live in Singapore, which offers an environment (esp. many chinese books and resources) on learning chinese culture.
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 04:29 AM

I personally realise the importance of chinese culture and my root at the age of 19, when I realise the english education I've received in Singapore tells me very little about chinese culture. After several years of chinese study, I'm personally proud of being well-versed in both chinese and western culture.


which is why i m struggling with learning my abt Chinese history...none of them thought in school!
except for a few legendary figures like Zheng He/Yue Fei/Qu Yuan whose history are taught briefly in moral ed textbooks, the rest of the famous Chinese characters i just picked up a little bit frm period dramas....
now i know the reason why i don like to watch period drams...cos i always dont understand whats goin on! (inlcuding the old style of chinese words used)

but lucky i still maintain my chinese language standard....even though i found it tiresome to read the words...i still know them by heart...except for a those real difficult words of cos!
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