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[Minty]

In the 1980's and 1990's,HK and Taiwan pop singers and film/TV stars often toured Malaysia and Singapore to earn EXTRA MONEY.Chinese newspapers reported local fans swamped the airport and sneaked around the hotel where they stayed.How is younger generation familiar with newer crop of Chinese entertainers,are Malaysian Chinese regularly purchase Chinese music CD and FILMS on vcd/dvd to keep up with Chinese cultural trend in HK/TAIWAN/CHINA/MACAU ?

Yes, the Chinese and the other races in Malaysia live independently side by side in Malaysia. They only meet in market places and remain segregated. I won't say there are no Chinese who assimilated into the Malay society but the network I came from doesn't. The network I was born into in Malaysia has a high percentage of Sino Malaysians marrying Taiwanese or Hongkese. So in comparison to the other Sino Malaysians perhaps we are more Chinese like. So it would not be surprising to see Chinese movies made from HK or Taiwan to be popular within the Sino Malaysians. Cantonese and Mandarin songs are also very popular among Sino Malaysians.

Edited by Minty, 13 April 2006 - 07:15 PM.

[Viewer]

Nothern (Kedah/Penang) are hokkiens
Kelantan/Trengganu are Teochew near to Thailand
Perak/KL/Negeri 9/Pahang are mainly Cantonese
Melaka are hokkien
Johor are Teochew
Sabah are hakka
Sarawak not sure... any idea ?

In Sarawak, according to the figure from State government, Foochow remains the largest ethnic group, follow closely by Hakka, then Hokkien and Teochew. If I'm not mistaken, Foochow forms around 37% out of 620 thousand Chinese and Hakka follow by 34-35%. Hokkien is around 18%. I may be wrong on the figure, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Hang Li Po]

Bumipuitra Status


Malay , Orang Asli , Chinese Hui (Chinese Convert to Islam) , Baba Nyonya (Cina Peranakan), Cheti (India Peranakan), Serani (Portugis Peranakan), Malay Champa, Indegeous Sabah & Sarawak

[Genghis_Khan]

How do ordinary ethnic Chinese in Malaysia make their living ?

Why doesn't Singapore swamp their Malays for ethnic Chinese from Malaysia ?

Indeed a lot of professional and able chinese man from Malaysia have migrate especially to their tiny neighbor "SINGAPORE"

[Genghis_Khan]

Ask the Singaporean how they are kicked out from the "Federation".

The same applies to the local Chinese. If you dun like this country, you are free to leave. This is a free country. You have the freedom to leave this country. During my school day, the Malay teacher used to remind the Chinese pupils that they only "tumpang" in the host country. (Can someone help to translate "tumpang"?). This is how they define the "social contract".

The current Chinese-based political parties in Malaysia are somewhat marginalized in the government (except in Sarawak). They have adopted "service-oriented" approach many years back to address "sensitive" issues pertaining to the basic right of the minorities. These day, the Chinese politician in the government only acts as a "bridge" or "agent" between the government and the Chinese community. It is not a bad idea too, in my opinion. Less politics, more cooperation and understanding between the government and the people.

One interesting point about the politics in Malaysia is that the Indian leader in the government can sometimes fight for the interest of the Chinese. One example is the "Chinese Graveyard issue" in Kuala Lumpur in 2000. The Chinese politicians are rather hesitate to handle the issue. So at last the Graveyard committee brought the matter to Samy Vellu, the Indian representative in the government, and the problem is properly solved after that.

(Remarks: Samy Vellu is the father-in-law to Dr M daughter).

Yeah, I have watch the video clip from our Malaysian Parliment on discussion of why Malaysia is declare Islamic country since it wasn't but in the heat of the discussion the Malays Member of Parliment proudly stated to the Chinese Member of Parliment "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT OUR WAY, YOU CAN LEAVE AND GO HOME CHINA" and Remember the day May 13!! (May 13 was the date where race cleansing happen in Malaysia in the 1960's)

[Genghis_Khan]

Americans of European ancestry are still getting special privileges and advantages over minority groups such as whites are first be hired and last to be laid-off from employment.Though,there are isolated cases of REVERSE DISCRIMINATION report in the mass media from time to time.USA had came a long way in her quest to make American society a better place than past generations.

I've read in the Chinese language newspapers,Dr M reportedly said his Malay people are lazy and not smart as he would wish they can be more like ethnic Chinese who are hardworking and business savvy.

"qlittlelemon" your side is not the worst u know why ?
Imagine now that USA president is Crazy Horse (native American)
just like in Malaysian, not the capable race or inteligent race that rule but the native people who rule over the clever people... What is the outcome ??
All u need is to imagine today in USA, it was rule by Comanche or Apache.
Now u feel the different ?

[Genghis_Khan]

In Malaysia, the Malay dominated gov't has intended to create laws and social programs to narrow the economic gap among the Malay, Chinese, and Indian; however, the term bumiputra as they intend to describe the Malay people as "the sons of the land" actually presenting such a travesty since even the Malay people were also original migrants came down from far away places (such as Yunnan or Tibet perhaps)! In real lament term, the word bumiputra should be reserved for orginal Orang Asli only but not for the Malay therefore they should reform and reverse their bumiputra policy which is clearly discriminating against the Chinese and Indian as well.

If the Malaysian gov't considering any citizen who was born and raised in Malaysia even after couple generations as "bumiputra" then most of the Chinese, Indians, and even few other ethnics should be treated as their own bumiputra as well.

While I was staying in Malaysia I did observe that even though the Malay would be entitled to most business licenses, etc. but the Chinese do always have their own way to operate behind the scene as well! The Chinese in Malaysia seem to know the meaning of "if there was a will there would be a way" very well indeed!

DO U KNOW THAT INDONESIAN who live in malaysia for 5 or 10 years or their son can get the BUMIPUTRA status ?
Why we Chinese and India ( our Grandfather have already live or born in Malaysia, yet we get that BUMIPUTRA status ? )

[Hang Li Po]

DO U KNOW THAT INDONESIAN who live in malaysia for 5 or 10 years or their son can get the BUMIPUTRA status ?
Why we Chinese and India ( our Grandfather have already live or born in Malaysia, yet we get that BUMIPUTRA status ? )

Javanese, Acheh and Indegeous In Indonesia Can Convert to malay..

[Genghis_Khan]

Javanese, Acheh and Indegeous In Indonesia Can Convert to malay..

With Indonesian and Chinese/Indian convert to Islam (I know there is alot of convertion in the orphan too, that's one of the strategy) and more and more chinese/indian migrate to another country due to unpleasant treatment here. So i guess that is one of the reason why Malays are incresingly and other ethnic are reducing in percentage here...

[Centaur]

Ask the Singaporean how they are kicked out from the "Federation".

Actually, I am thankful that we came out of the Federation. I cannot imagine what Singapore would be like today. Imagine that Bahasa Malay becomes the only National Language. We all would be pretty lost. Singapore would not be Singapore of today. So thank you Tengku Abdual Rahman for splitting with us.

[Genghis_Khan]

Actually, I am thankful that we came out of the Federation. I cannot imagine what Singapore would be like today. Imagine that Bahasa Malay becomes the only National Language. We all would be pretty lost. Singapore would not be Singapore of today. So thank you Tengku Abdual Rahman for splitting with us.

You should thank Lee Kuan Yew, not Tunku!
I think singapore would just be another state like the Melaka or Penang if they stay and no one in the world would ever know where the h*** it is?? And probably now you would be worrying how to migrate to New Zealand or other more fair places because you would be fed up with the constitution here where bumiputera can buy property cheaper at 7%, u can own a petrol station because the government secretly won'y give out new license to non-bumi, 90% government project goto bumi, bumi/semi government company get to takeover profitable non-bumi company then they make losses of billions and it's okay because government will use public fund into it and they (bumi) can study doctor/medicine courses with 2A's from form6 but non-bumi cannot get the courses they wanted to study even though they get 6A's and end up study in oversea on the expense of their parent burden... and etc...
Now u get it ? The consequences is soo high that you should pray Lee Kuan Yew like god because he bring Prosperous and Happiness to u aLL over there..
Now u should appreaciate what he had done to you aLL...

[snowybeagle]

Actually, I am thankful that we came out of the Federation. I cannot imagine what Singapore would be like today. Imagine that Bahasa Malay becomes the only National Language. We all would be pretty lost. Singapore would not be Singapore of today. So thank you Tengku Abdual Rahman for splitting with us.

Well, if Singapore remained in Malaysia, it might have also affected Malaysia as well as being affected by Malaysia.

From what I recall, PAP or its associates were more successful in the National Assembly in KL while UMNO failed to get any seat in the local parliamentary elections in Singapore.

UMNO formed the Singapore Alliance Party with allies but failed to get any seats in 1963 elections in Singapore. In retaliation, PAP formed Malaysian Solidarity Convention with allies and got 1 seat & 7& in 1964 Malaysian Federal elections.

I don't know what the Malaysian historical textbooks say, but one of the issues brought up in the Singaporean history textbooks was the PAP pushing for Malaysians' Malaysia - the idea being greater equality for all citizens rather than on the basis of ethnicity.

Tunku Abdul Rahman supposedly said, "Everyone wants a Malaysian's Malaysia, but young men (the PAP) want to rush things."

Ah well, it was a more of a marriage of convenience in the first place ... the merger between Malaysia and Singapore.

[BTW, my phrase t**-for-tat was converted automatically by the forum censor software to br****-for-tat, I had to rephrase it.]

Edited by snowybeagle, 25 April 2006 - 04:40 AM.

[LYY]

Actually, I am thankful that we came out of the Federation. I cannot imagine what Singapore would be like today. Imagine that Bahasa Malay becomes the only National Language. We all would be pretty lost. Singapore would not be Singapore of today. So thank you Tengku Abdual Rahman for splitting with us.

Seeing what Singapore has achieved today, some Malay politicians has blamed Tunku for letting Singapore be on its own. The history book of Singapore should pay tribute to Tunku Abdul Rahman as the FATHER of Singapore's independence! Even the Chinese misses his time.

To Singaporean, Tunku is a nice guy - a soccer player in a English club, but having bad times to pass the exam. Probably this is what Mr Lee despite him of. In the 60s, quite a number of Malay are pure Daoist ... unlike today

[LYY]

I don't know what the Malaysian historical textbooks say, but one of the issues brought up in the Singaporean history textbooks was the PAP pushing for Malaysians' Malaysia - the idea being greater equality for all citizens rather than on the basis of ethnicity.

Tunku Abdul Rahman supposedly said, "Everyone wants a Malaysian's Malaysia, but young men (the PAP) want to rush things."

Malaysian history textbook is blaming Mr Lee for trying to break the social contract that have been agreed in 1957. To the Malay, they have sacrifice their RIGHT to ALLOW the foreign immigrants to stay in their country. In return, the Malay must be given privilege in their own LAND. Mr Lee is seen as a trouble maker ...

BTW, the stupid BABA leaders of MCA did not even voice up some important rights for the Chinese at the time of negotiation before Independence in Britain. That proved to be very expensive later ...

[Genghis_Khan]

Well, if Singapore remained in Malaysia, it might have also affected Malaysia as well as being affected by Malaysia.

From what I recall, PAP or its associates were more successful in the National Assembly in KL while UMNO failed to get any seat in the local parliamentary elections in Singapore.

UMNO formed the Singapore Alliance Party with allies but failed to get any seats in 1963 elections in Singapore. In retaliation, PAP formed Malaysian Solidarity Convention with allies and got 1 seat & 7& in 1964 Malaysian Federal elections.

I don't know what the Malaysian historical textbooks say, but one of the issues brought up in the Singaporean history textbooks was the PAP pushing for Malaysians' Malaysia - the idea being greater equality for all citizens rather than on the basis of ethnicity.

I think Singapore will be affected by Malaysia rather than Malaysia affected by Singapore...

May 13 Incident

Malay leaders who were angry about the election results used the press to attack their opponents, contributing to raising public anger and tension among the Malay and Chinese communities