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Guan Yu siezes Pang De.

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 08:06 AM

A fantastic source for the appearance of early Ming (15thc) warriors. The weapons, armour and clothing are just beautiful.
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Posted 23 October 2006 - 06:00 PM

Notice that the arms, armour stems from the Ming period(the period that the paintings were drawn) instead of the Han period.

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 11:18 PM

In fact, all popular images of the Three Kingdoms are filtered through the arms and armour of the Ming dynasty, because that's when the novel was written. Guan Yu's glaive (dao) is a perfect example.
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Posted 23 October 2006 - 11:33 PM

Well, in all technicality, the except for the fact that they are using Shanwen lamellas, everything on that picture can be found or at least have existed before the Song dynasty.

But that's just me being a nitpicking poohead.



(ok ok. so Zhou Cang was a ming dynasty 'creation' but hey, it doesn't neglect the possibility that someone was named Zhou Cang during the Song dynasty or before right ?)
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 01:46 AM

everything on that picture can be found or at least have existed before the Song dynasty.



I thought the Yanyue Dao glaive is not known before the Wujing Zongyao of the Northern Song?
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 01:56 AM

"everything on that picture (can be found) (or) (at least have existed before) the Song dynasty. "
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:03 AM

Should be:

"everything on that picture (can be found in) (or) (even existed before) the Song dynasty. "

That makes it much clearer :P
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:11 AM

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Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:54 AM

Whats with the black guys in the painting?

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Posted 24 October 2006 - 05:08 AM

Whats with the black guys in the painting?


They aren't "black guys", they are Chinese. This is how the Chinese depicted themselves in paintings.

Edited by Conan the destroyer, 24 October 2006 - 05:09 AM.

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Posted 24 October 2006 - 10:59 AM

They aren't "black guys", they are Chinese. This is how the Chinese depicted themselves in paintings.


Zhou Cang (Guan Yu's fictional glaive-bearer) is traditionally depicted with a swarthy face. The other dark guy reminds me of Zhang Fei, because Zhang is usually given a dark face in popular depictions too. But Zhang wasn't involved in Pang De's capture, so I'm not sure if it really is him.
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 04:13 PM

Larger versions of the same pics here.
http://www.mcah.colu...9_041504_21.jpg
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Posted 24 October 2006 - 09:16 PM

Wow! Great paintings. I like the rich detail on Guan Yu's armor, clothes, facial expression, and facial hair. The weird thing about it is Pang De seems to be smiling while being captured, which is sort of strange. Lol.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 05:13 PM

Wow! Great paintings. I like the rich detail on Guan Yu's armor, clothes, facial expression, and facial hair. The weird thing about it is Pang De seems to be smiling while being captured, which is sort of strange. Lol.

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looks more like he is grimacing from having his hair pulled

Now, this armor, would it have physically existed for ceremonial wear? Does any armor like this survive?
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Posted 27 October 2006 - 05:29 PM

looks more like he is grimacing from having his hair pulled

Now, this armor, would it have physically existed for ceremonial wear? Does any armor like this survive?


All evidence suggests the armour portrayed is historically accurate. See my gallery here.
http://www.flickr.co...57594347641833/

Edited by Conan the destroyer, 27 October 2006 - 05:31 PM.

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