38 replies to this topic

[gymonkey16]

Just out of curiousity. I do, I think we all came from the same central asian source and just branched out over time

[wally]

Personally i think it could be

e.g. Japanese has 25% Chinese DNA and 24% Korean DNA.And there is no pure-blood nationalities in this planet.

[Ohno]

Koreans has adopted han Chinese cultures but I don't think koreans are related to han Chinese in race. Koreans in history are nomadic tribes speading over northeastern China, Korean peninsular island. Koreans along with manchus, mongolians, Xibo, Dawuer, Hezhe belong to the same big group, Tongdar which is different from Han group. But I have no idea why my Korean classmate said Chinese and Koreans had the same ancestors.

[gymonkey16]

Koreans has adopted han Chinese cultures but I don't think koreans are related to han Chinese in race. Koreans in history are nomadic tribes speading over northeastern China, Korean peninsular island. Koreans along with manchus, mongolians, Xibo, Dawuer, Hezhe belong to the same big group, Tongdar which is different from Han group. But I have no idea why my Korean classmate said Chinese and Koreans had the same ancestors.

I can see why your classmates would feel that way, I mean i do.....it's just my opinion . I mean if the japanese mongolians and manchu ect all came from the same group as koreans. Then where would chinese fit in? where would we have come from we obviously didn't just spring up from the group. I mean we both look extremely similar I mean how did we get that way if have absolutely nothing in common?. I'm chinese but i'm always mistaken korean or japanese. Even by the chinese

[Mei Houwang]

Oh please, ever heard of out of Africa theory? Everybody's related. That question needs to be way more specific.

[Intranetusa]

Koreans has adopted han Chinese cultures but I don't think koreans are related to han Chinese in race. Koreans in history are nomadic tribes speading over northeastern China, Korean peninsular island. Koreans along with manchus, mongolians, Xibo, Dawuer, Hezhe belong to the same big group, Tongdar which is different from Han group. But I have no idea why my Korean classmate said Chinese and Koreans had the same ancestors.

Go to the Out of Africa link on wikipedia. Koreans are related to Northern Chinese. Southern Chinese are a separate group that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
(btw Northern Chinese also includes Manchu)

SE Asian/South Asian are a separate group that branched off in the middle east.

[naruwan]

Go to the Out of Africa link on wikipedia. Koreans are related to Northern Chinese. Southern Chinese are a separate group that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
(btw Northern Chinese also includes Manchu)

SE Asian/South Asian are a separate group that branched off in the middle east.

i remember reading a research blaming baldness to middle eastern genes. it was very interest XD

but then again, have you ever seen a bald Native American?

[galvatron prime]

I think in term of language ,Korea language are belong to a group Altaics-Tungus-uralics which are more closer to Japan ,Mongol ,Daur ,Manchu ,Xibo,Finnish ,Magyar etc,Han chinese language belong to Sino-Tibetans which are closer to Tibet ,Zhuang ,Burma etc,In theory like Multireligion evolution ,all Mongoloid people are evoved from Peking Man which mean Korea and Chinese are more related compare to Korea and Magyar i think ,this theory also use by Muslim Hardliner to deny those out of african theory .

Edited by galvatron, 11 April 2007 - 10:41 AM.

[Intranetusa]

^ Muslims Hardliners don't believe in evolution flat. Fundamentalists believe in Abrahamic creationism - Adam and Eve, 6 days & 7000 years, etc

"all Mongoloid people are evoved from Peking"
Well, the Peking Man is not human anyways. The Peking man is a "Homo erectus pekinensis"
Modern humans are Homo Sapien Sapiens.

Edited by Intranetusa, 11 April 2007 - 06:03 PM.

[General_Zhaoyun]

There is no evidence to suggests that Koreans are related to han-chinese 'genetically', unless if you want to group Koreans and han-chinese to be under the anthropology group of "mongoloids" (according to their looks/features).

Lingustically, Koreans are related to altaic-turkic-tungusic branch family, which differs from chinese's Sino-tibetan branch. Even a 'han-chinese' is not a 'pure ethnicity', as they tend to be a rather loose group unified by a common cultural identity. Many han-chinese today are rather mixed, and even northern han and southern han differed in terms of look/facial appearance/build.

[Yongwoni GOD]

Go to the Out of Africa link on wikipedia. Koreans are related to Northern Chinese. Southern Chinese are a separate group that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
(btw Northern Chinese also includes Manchu)

False statement. Today's southern Han are mostly made up of Han from the Central Plains (who have migrated to the south in mass numbers since the past 2000 years). Though they have, to some extent, mixed with the southern natives which are groups that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.

[gymonkey16]

Actually we are genetically related
I didn't type this

"Study of Korean Male Origins (abstract)[5]
Sunghee Hong, Seong-Gene Lee, Yongsook Yoon, Kyuyoung Song
University of Ulsan College of Medicine, 388-1 Poongnap-dong, Songpa-ku, Seoul, Korea
Population studies of genetic markers such as HLA variation and mitochondrial DNA have been used to understand human origins, demographic and migration history. Recently, diversity on the nonrecombining portion of the Y chromosome (NRY) has been applied to the study of human history. Since NRY is passed from father to son without recombination, polymorphisms in this region are valuable for investigating male-mediated gene flow and for complementing maternally based studies of mtDNA. Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of Korean. By using 38 Y chromosome single nucleotide polymorphism markers, we analyzed the genetic structure of 195 Korean males. The Korean males were characterized by a diverse set of 4 haplogroups (Groups IV, V, VII, X) and 14 haplotypes that were also present in Chinese. The most frequent haplogroup in Korean was Group VII (82.6%). It was also the most frequent haplogroup in Chinese (95%) as well as in Japanese (45%). The frequencies of the haplogroups V, IV, and X were 15.4%, 1%, and 1%, respectively. The second most frequent haplogroup V in Korean was not present in Chinese, but its frequency was similar in Japanese. We have tried to correlate the Y variation with surname to determine how well the clan membership corresponds to Y variation. There were 37 surnames in our sample but genetic variation structure did not correlate with surnames. "

This is a comment from someone on wikipedia

"Linguistics and genetics are two very separate things. The Korean language may possibly be Altaic (even this is contentious) and the Han Chinese language is Sino-Tibetan, but a fundamental tenant of linguistics is that these differences do not reflect the actual genetic makeup of the populations speaking them. The Koreans today are closely related to the Han Chinese in both genetics and culture. That is more than enough to put the Han Chinese as a "possibly" related ethnic group. The Korean people were directly related to the early migrants coming north from China. "

[Intranetusa]

I saw a Japanese documentary on youtube that said the majority of Japanese were 24% Korean and 25% Chinese (probably northern variant)...
Considering Korea is RIGHT NEXT to China, yes, I'd say over the last 6000 years, both sides have mixed blood.


ie. In Europe, and you'll see plenty of mixed Scottish-Irish-English, German-Austrian, etc

Edited by Intranetusa, 23 April 2007 - 08:46 PM.

[ulji]

Actually we are genetically related
I didn't type this

"Study of Korean Male Origins (abstract)[5]
Sunghee Hong, Seong-Gene Lee, Yongsook Yoon, Kyuyoung Song
University of Ulsan College of Medicine, 388-1 Poongnap-dong, Songpa-ku, Seoul, Korea .... There were 37 surnames in our sample but genetic variation structure did not correlate with surnames. "

I know that paper and I even sent an email but no replies. I work in genetics.
The paper is very flawed. The paper was presented in a conference held in china and apparently they were too eager to please their chinese hosts.
I do not want to be sexist but cannot help but thinking that the fact they are mostly women had something to do with such eagerness to appease.

Actually M95 which is present in 10-20 percent of Chinese is completely absent among Koreans. So the chances of any significant admixture from chinese to Koreans is nill.

Sorry.

[ChineseMythDragon]

The frequency of Haplogroup C3 tends to be negatively correlated with distance from Mongolia and the Russian Far East, but it still comprises more than ten percent of the total Y-chromosome diversity among the Manchus, Koreans, Ainu, and some Turkic peoples of Central Asia although in a genetic study in 2004, haplogroup C3 was more frequent among Koreans than previously thought.

Haplogroup O2b (SRY465, a.k.a. M176) is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a descendant haplogroup of Haplogroup O2. Haplogroup O2b is found in the northeastern parts of East Asia, from the Daur people of Inner Mongolia to the Japanese of Japan. This haplogroup is found with its highest frequency and diversity values in the modern population of Korea and are absent among Chinese populations.







Personally and this is just speculation, in my opinion Koreans ARE related to Tungusics, Mongolians and Northern Han Chinese. There is enough linguistic and DNA evidence to support this. Korean language belongs to the Atlaic/Tungusic branch and this is identified through their grammatical structure. Korea's geographical location in Northeast Asia also supports this type of argument. Koreans are most likely a mixture of different ethnic groups that migrated from the north.