The earliest records on 遂人 or 燧人?
What is the origin of this legend?
Is it related to the Xianbei and Korean legend of Tunnel God?
What about with the Japnese legend? Is it similar with that of 祝融?
The earliest records on 遂人 or 燧人?
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, May 27 2007 11:44 PM
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Posted 29 May 2007 - 04:30 AM
You've got the meaning of 燧人 (Sui-ren) wrong. 燧 (sui) refers to a torch/fire-bower and the Sui people are reputed to be the ones who "invented" fire by drilling one stick against another-- nothing to do with tunnels.
It's one of those legends like Fuxi that got passed done orally and got recorded in many different places and "incorporated" in the Chinese mythology/ history in various ways. More commonly referred to as 燧人氏 (Sui-ren Shi, the Clan of Torch People) as one of the three clans of antiquity before Yellow Emperor-- the other 2 are the Fuxi-Clan who "invented" divination/ astrology/ calendar/ proto-writings and the Shengnong-Clan (Clan of Wondrous/ Divine Farmers) who "invented" agriculture.
祝融 Zhu-rong is "god" of fire, thought to be the deitification of an legendary leader charged with guarding the secret of fire and keeping an actual "reserve" fire going at all times. Supposedly appeared around the same time as the Yellow Emperor and served under him as the "fire" minister, but may have southern "roots" (more popular in the south like the states of Chu during the Zhou Dynasty.)
Not sure about the Xianbei, Korean or Japanese connections.
Both Korean and Japanese, and even Greek, myths have the equivalent of Torch man. So, where come this chinese legend? From Korea or Japan or Greece or India? Definitely, it appears to be that Sui Ren legend was not original to China.
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Posted 29 May 2007 - 01:21 PM
actually 燧人 means Flint man.
Legend has it he discovered how to make fire by watching a special kinds of bird that can make fire by hitting stones or rubbing woods together.
Some do connect him with 祝融.
Mostly likely, 燧人 is the title of the person who invented fire. While 祝融 is the clan that is incharge of making fire.
Legend has it he discovered how to make fire by watching a special kinds of bird that can make fire by hitting stones or rubbing woods together.
Some do connect him with 祝融.
Mostly likely, 燧人 is the title of the person who invented fire. While 祝融 is the clan that is incharge of making fire.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:34 PM
Both Korean and Japanese, and even Greek, myths have the equivalent of Torch man. So, where come this chinese legend? From Korea or Japan or Greece or India? Definitely, it appears to be that Sui Ren legend was not original to China.
"Sui ren" was commonly known as a tribe,"Sui Ren Shi",rather than just a single person who discovered fire.In the works of Han Fei Zi,"Sui Ren Shi" was known to be one of the three "Huang",along with the Shen Nong Shi.Han fei Zi writings seems to potrayed him as a caveman who discovered that raw food cooked by fire is much more edible.It does not described him as someone who first discovered fire,but someone who first used fire to cooked raw food.
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Posted 22 August 2009 - 12:05 PM
The Suiren Clan (燧人氏) [Fire clan] was one of the "three huang" (clan-rulers). They were said to have invented the technique of creating fire from flint stones
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