The crisis of management procedures and reactions to them that resulted in the resignation of the founder of the Forum, General Zhaoyun. In my opinion it was a crisis of growth. CHF is in the process to adjust its administrative ways adequately to its present size and complexity. Please visit the Imperial Capital and see CHF News and Announcements.Crisis? What crisis?
Political Leanings
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, Jun 07 2007 11:28 PM
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#76
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Interests:I am interested mainly in poetry and literature. I am not literate in Chinese, though I understand a few characters.
Though I like poetry from everywhere and from every epoch, I like especially to learn about Tang poetry. Lately I have been studying two poets, one Tang (Bai Juyi) and the other Song (Li Qingzhao). - Languages spoken:Spanish, English, French, a bit German, a bit Japanese, a bit Chinese.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 07:12 PM
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Interests:I am interested mainly in poetry and literature. I am not literate in Chinese, though I understand a few characters.
Though I like poetry from everywhere and from every epoch, I like especially to learn about Tang poetry. Lately I have been studying two poets, one Tang (Bai Juyi) and the other Song (Li Qingzhao). - Languages spoken:Spanish, English, French, a bit German, a bit Japanese, a bit Chinese.
- Ethnic Groups or Race:Latin American - that is, a mixture of everything.
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Main Interest in CHF:
Chinese Literature
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Tang, Song and contemporary poetry
Posted 01 January 2009 - 07:18 PM
Yes, one can be a Monarchist and something else. The first part of the poll has problems such as those. The second part - the test of the political compass - is more solid.Why can one not be a Monarchist, and something else? Monarchy does not necessarily denote a political leaning, as those of us in the UK, New Zealand, Canada or Australia would attest. Monarchy is a structural system not a philosophical one.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 07:31 PM
Yes, I am a monarchist and also conservative in my political views, but I know of many monarchists in Australia who are left wing as well. We unite in rejecting republicanism because it fails to provide stability, and a means of resolving political disputes at the highest level which are currently available in our constitutional monarchy.Yes, one can be a Monarchist and something else. The first part of the poll has problems such as those. The second part - the test of the political compass - is more solid.
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- Location:Cali, Colombia, a city of 2 million people, 4ºN, on a large mountain valley at 1000 m altitude, 120 km of the port of Buenaventura on the Pacific. Spanish is spoken here.
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Interests:I am interested mainly in poetry and literature. I am not literate in Chinese, though I understand a few characters.
Though I like poetry from everywhere and from every epoch, I like especially to learn about Tang poetry. Lately I have been studying two poets, one Tang (Bai Juyi) and the other Song (Li Qingzhao). - Languages spoken:Spanish, English, French, a bit German, a bit Japanese, a bit Chinese.
- Ethnic Groups or Race:Latin American - that is, a mixture of everything.
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Main Interest in CHF:
Chinese Literature
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Specialisation / Expertise:
Tang, Song and contemporary poetry
Posted 01 January 2009 - 07:58 PM
The CHF chart with the additions of LongMa, Mattw, Meadow and Taran ap Dafydd.
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 09:17 PM
Hmm, Taran and I should form a club.
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Interests:I am interested mainly in poetry and literature. I am not literate in Chinese, though I understand a few characters.
Though I like poetry from everywhere and from every epoch, I like especially to learn about Tang poetry. Lately I have been studying two poets, one Tang (Bai Juyi) and the other Song (Li Qingzhao). - Languages spoken:Spanish, English, French, a bit German, a bit Japanese, a bit Chinese.
- Ethnic Groups or Race:Latin American - that is, a mixture of everything.
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Main Interest in CHF:
Chinese Literature
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Specialisation / Expertise:
Tang, Song and contemporary poetry
Posted 01 January 2009 - 11:07 PM
Are you sure? Why don't you take the test to see where you are on the chart?Hmm, Taran and I should form a club.
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 04:58 AM
Center Left
I like Confucius, but I don't like Li Peng!
I hate Fascism, Marxism, Islamism and Imperialism...
I like Confucius, but I don't like Li Peng!
I hate Fascism, Marxism, Islamism and Imperialism...
I'm a historian.
#83
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 08:44 AM
I can see already. That's why Taran and I should form a club...!Are you sure? Why don't you take the test to see where you are on the chart?
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 10:10 AM
My score on the political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
Theoretically speaking, I would classify myself as a Libertarian - Rights Theorist. In reality, I guess that I am closest to Apathetic (which is where I put my vote in the poll) because I don't fully trust any politician and in turn have stopped voting for them.
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
Theoretically speaking, I would classify myself as a Libertarian - Rights Theorist. In reality, I guess that I am closest to Apathetic (which is where I put my vote in the poll) because I don't fully trust any politician and in turn have stopped voting for them.
"I don't talk about Communism. I don't talk about ideas such as democracy. A country just has to respect its own laws, and if it can do that, it will have integrated into the world." --Chinese rights campaigner Feng Zhenghu
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- Location:Cali, Colombia, a city of 2 million people, 4ºN, on a large mountain valley at 1000 m altitude, 120 km of the port of Buenaventura on the Pacific. Spanish is spoken here.
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Interests:I am interested mainly in poetry and literature. I am not literate in Chinese, though I understand a few characters.
Though I like poetry from everywhere and from every epoch, I like especially to learn about Tang poetry. Lately I have been studying two poets, one Tang (Bai Juyi) and the other Song (Li Qingzhao). - Languages spoken:Spanish, English, French, a bit German, a bit Japanese, a bit Chinese.
- Ethnic Groups or Race:Latin American - that is, a mixture of everything.
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Main Interest in CHF:
Chinese Literature
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Specialisation / Expertise:
Tang, Song and contemporary poetry
Posted 02 January 2009 - 10:28 AM
That's interesting. Why don't you fully trust them? Though whom could one fully trust? Not even oneself. There is always marvel and wonder inside any human being.My score on the political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
Theoretically speaking, I would classify myself as a Libertarian - Rights Theorist. In reality, I guess that I am closest to Apathetic (which is where I put my vote in the poll) because I don't fully trust any politician and in turn have stopped voting for them.
The position of TengAi Hui has been added to the chart.
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 11:46 AM
I can't believe I posted the link few years back and I didn't post my readings.
I just retook the test..
Plot mine in Tang_Scholar!
Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.49
I just retook the test..
Plot mine in Tang_Scholar!
Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.49
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Eternal Vigilance Is the Price of Liberty
Eternal Vigilance Is the Price of Liberty
#87
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 03:50 PM
Center Left
I like Confucius, but I don't like Li Peng!
I hate Fascism, Marxism, Islamism and Imperialism...
Well, I guess that's why we agree so often...
And if the guys in the lower left are the new leadership (or have the same political leanings), I can definitely understand General Zhaoyun resigning. I had a very similar issue on a perpetual campaign type online game a couple years back.
I find it interesting that so few of us on that chart seem to understand economics, but I guess that shouldn't be too surprising seeing as this is a History forum rather than an Econ forum...
BTW, is General Zhaoyun still around? Does he still participate or is he just Gone?
Edited by Taran ap Dafydd, 02 January 2009 - 03:50 PM.
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 08:39 PM
I voted Economic 6.00
Social 2.77
All good fun.
That is my current position. I would say I would have answered perhaps 25% of the questions differently 20 years ago.
Social 2.77
All good fun.
That is my current position. I would say I would have answered perhaps 25% of the questions differently 20 years ago.
Edited by changsham, 02 January 2009 - 08:54 PM.
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- Location:Cali, Colombia, a city of 2 million people, 4ºN, on a large mountain valley at 1000 m altitude, 120 km of the port of Buenaventura on the Pacific. Spanish is spoken here.
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Interests:I am interested mainly in poetry and literature. I am not literate in Chinese, though I understand a few characters.
Though I like poetry from everywhere and from every epoch, I like especially to learn about Tang poetry. Lately I have been studying two poets, one Tang (Bai Juyi) and the other Song (Li Qingzhao). - Languages spoken:Spanish, English, French, a bit German, a bit Japanese, a bit Chinese.
- Ethnic Groups or Race:Latin American - that is, a mixture of everything.
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Main Interest in CHF:
Chinese Literature
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Specialisation / Expertise:
Tang, Song and contemporary poetry
Posted 02 January 2009 - 08:47 PM
No, the people on the lower left are NOT the new leadership. Though I said the chart was almost prophetic, now I am not so sure. General Zhaoyun had been giving signs of tiredness, and is also recently wed. There is his university project, which is very demanding. In these circumstances, why suffer little personality clashes like the ones that have recently happened? It seems to me that in other conditions, even with stronger clashes, the General would still be directing CHF.Well, I guess that's why we agree so often...
And if the guys in the lower left are the new leadership (or have the same political leanings), I can definitely understand General Zhaoyun resigning. I had a very similar issue on a perpetual campaign type online game a couple years back.
BTW, is General Zhaoyun still around? Does he still participate or is he just Gone?
Also: the political leanings shown in the chart have not really stopped interactions or generated bad feelings amongst CHF members. I think that, though there have been a few cases of harshness, a clima of tolerance and understanding has been prevalent in CHF in the two years I have been here. It seems that this was not always so, and the present rules of behavior, fruit of past experiences, have contributed a lot to that climate.
Why do you say that? The people in the Forum are not only historians; I would think the professional historians might be a minority. The strenght of the forum is history, but there is also a strong cultural component. But the thing is, I don't see why you think so few of us seem to understand economics. From the distribution of people in the four areas of the chart? That would not be enough.I find it interesting that so few of us on that chart seem to understand economics, but I guess that shouldn't be too surprising seeing as this is a History forum rather than an Econ forum...
The General is not gone, he has only resigned the direction. Luckily for us all, he will stay. He has chosen to be in a less demanding position.BTW, is General Zhaoyun still around? Does he still participate or is he just Gone?
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 09:12 PM
After the recent and ongoing economic uncertainty I tend to think that most economic experts don't know much about the subject.
Most of them act like irresponsible train drivers. They give us an exciting wild ride in a fast steam train on the straight with us in tow. They keep shoveling coal in the furnace to increase the speed but forget to apply the brakes when they come to a curve.
Anyone who trully understands economics would likely be too busy making money to bother with this forum. Time is money.
Most of them act like irresponsible train drivers. They give us an exciting wild ride in a fast steam train on the straight with us in tow. They keep shoveling coal in the furnace to increase the speed but forget to apply the brakes when they come to a curve.
Anyone who trully understands economics would likely be too busy making money to bother with this forum. Time is money.
Edited by changsham, 02 January 2009 - 09:17 PM.
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