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[YuenKamSiu]

Interesting photos

[sg_han]

^Uh... I'm not sure, but Islam is the most predominant religion among Kazakhs.

you look central asian. are you?

[Suren911]

^My father's ancestors from there.

[sg_han]

^My father's ancestors from there.

so are you a chinese kazak? or an american kazak? where are you from?

[Dagvadorj]

I think her father is from Xinjiang, either Bortala or Bayinbolin Mongol areas. She is a Mongol. Suren are you Mongolian?

[Suren911]

^Yeah I am. My father's family from around Western Inner Mongolia. They moved around quite a bit so I can't exactly tell you where my paternal side of the family originated. Such is the life of a Mongol. My father was born at Ituli in Inner Mongolia, however.

[Dagvadorj]

^Yeah I am. My father's family from around Western Inner Mongolia. They moved around quite a bit so I can't exactly tell you where my paternal side of the family originated. Such is the life of a Mongol. My father was born at Ituli in Inner Mongolia, however.

Mıne too came from Eastern Inner Mongolıa and we are now ın Mongolıa. Hey anyway where is Ituli? Are you from Alaxan or Ejine? U Oirad alright?

[大学语文12345]

Kazaks look like Mongolian. I once met a Kazak couple in Beijing foreign book store, I saluted them with "Sain Bai nuu because I wrongly regarded them as my countryman, but their response is motionless. They don't understand Mongolian.(my Mongolian is very poor. shame on it) Fortunately, gal spoke English and very simple Chinese, beside her mother language(Russian).
I talked with them for a long time, gal is a Kazak with Mongolian origin( Kalkha MG), his husband is Kulie tribe origin.
Both of them are muslim believers. Though her husband is a Kazak, but he looks like a typical Mongolian with a typical Mongol face.

[Suren911]

Mıne too came from Eastern Inner Mongolıa and we are now ın Mongolıa. Hey anyway where is Ituli? Are you from Alaxan or Ejine? U Oirad alright?

Oh you're Eastern Mongol? Which tribe? I wish I knew more about my Mongolian side. Unfortunately, folks on the Mongolian side all went to the cities to study and neglected their background. Only a few of my uncles and aunts know Mongolian (Ovor Mongolian). I'm not exactly sure which Mongolian tribe I'm from. Mostlikely, I am a mix. I was told that my grandma looks very much like an Eastern Mongol (she looks kind of Native american) and my grandpa is from the West so I'm not entirely sure. He was adopted by an Inner Mongolian woman and I think he spoke Ovor Mongolian as well, besides what he knew from before. Ituli is a river, it's a really remote area and probably isn't even on the map since my dad's family lived a really simple life in nature. Now, most of my Mongolian family members are near the area Tongliao in Inner Mongolia.
You probably can't see very well but almost all of the store signs are bilingual. Uigarjin and Chinese characters.


Now that I'm of legal age, I've been dying to try this haha. It's alcohol. Nermel I think?



Sorry for going off topic, mods! I had to connect with a fellow Mongol hahaha

Edited by Suren911, 24 September 2007 - 11:19 AM.

[Dagvadorj]

Hello Suren! Thanks for your reply! I am a Harchin or Kharachin Mongol originally from Halaqin Left County of Liaoning. My ancestors they moved to Mongolian Hüree in beginning of the 1900s. You are living im Tongliao so you are living near my hometown, you must be meeting a lot of Kharachin Mongols.

What do you mean your grandfathers is from West? You mean from Qinghai or Xinjiang? You must be of one of the Oirad tribes in the paternal side if he is from Qinghai or Xinjiang. You said your grandfather had been adopted my an Inner Mongolian, or is the grandfa Shanghairen?

I've been to Inner Mongolia (this September last time), so I know the signs are bilingual. Unfortunately, I never had time to go to Eastern prefectures. I really wish I could.

I tried the 'nermel' and it is fantastic I recommend. It won't slice your throat when it enters but it surely is strong and you will feel hot in your stomach. hehe.

[Suren911]

^Hey I guess it's possible that I am at least 1/4 Harchin Mongol then. My grandfather is from the west meaning he's from the western most part of Inner Mongolia, right around the border near Xinjiang. I can show you pictures of my grandpa and grandma. He was adopted as a kid by an Inner Mongolian lady who mostly spoke Mongolian to him. The Eastern prefectures are very nice. The roads are cleared up now and easier for traveling. Summers are very nice and breezy and not hot at all - just the way I like my summers. The further north you get, the more flat the area gets. It's like an ocean of grassland! I love riding the train and enjoying the view. You often meet Mongol travelers going from place to place. There's a place in Inner Mongolia called "Da-ban" which are the same characters for Osaka in Japan. I found it amusing haha.

I've always been a big fan of traditional Asian wines, but I'm sure Nermel is quite different. I'll definitely try it one day :-)

[Akskl]

Paul Nazaroff "Hunted Through Central Asia" Oxford University Press 1993
First published 1932

http://www.us.oup.co...DE5MjgwMzY4OQ==

pp.286-288
Over an immense area in Asia where the wandering Kazakhs ("Kirghiz" in the text - old pre-revolutionary name used by Russians for Kazakhs - A.) have scattered, their manner of life and their peculiar culture, developed through millenia of existence in the free open steppe, is the same, identical in space and identical, too, in time. These nomads were free to move about the plains at their own sweet will, as though upon an open sea, and there was nothing to prevent the Kazakhs of the Tian Shan from wandering away to steppes of Siberia, of the Ural or the Volga, except, of course, nowadays the Bolshevik Government.

This freedom and the mobility of the nomads of the steppe has evolved their own peculiar culture, character and manner of life, and has played a very important part in the history of Asia, which has not yet been properly appre­ciated by historians nor sufficiently studied. It has reacted profoundly on the fate of Russia, and even Western Europe has by no means escaped its influence. The burning sands of Egypt, the valleys of Mesopotamia and of Palestine (the myriad horsemen of Gog and Magog), and of India and the valleys of Russia and of Central Europe and even Chalons, the Catalaunian plains of France, Hellas, too, and Rome, all have seen the forbears of our Kazakh of to-day, though under various names - as Scythians or Massagetae, Huns, Polovtsi, Kipchaks, Kumans, Pechenegs, Alans, Tartars and so on. On every side their invasions have left their mark, not only destructive, for sometimes they have altered the course of historical development and affected the blood, language, character, manners and customs of the people with whom they have come into contact. Just as the Nor­mans in their day made use of their mobility upon the seas to spread their influence and culture throughout the West, so these nomads of the steppes of Asia have done the same in the East. The broad belt of grassy plains across the old continent, which has given rise to the peculiar type of nomad Turki and his inseparable comrade, the horse of the steppe, has had enormous influence on the destinies of the settled nations and of civilisation itself.
All distant invasions and the ` migration of peoples' have been possible owing to one single factor, hitherto ignored by historians, and that is the horse of the steppes. This animal is endowed with most valuable qualities of supporting fatigue and of endless endurance and the power of keeping up prolonged hard work on green food only, on mere grazing, of which other races of horse are quite incapable, being dependent on corn. These outstanding qualities of the steppe horse were fully appreciated and widely used by the great military leaders of Asia, conquerors, Jenghiz Khan, Tamerlane and the others [1], which explains the secret of their success.
The limits of attainment and conquest of the countless hordes of Asia depended not upon the powers of resistance of the subject peoples nor upon their armies, but were defined by the moist meadow grazing, by the cold damp of the north and by the tropical heat of the valleys of India, which were fatal to the horse of the Kazakhs.

1 See Ivanoff, ' On the Art of War of the Mongol-Tartars' (in Russian), a little known but extremely interesting work. Also two papers by me, " The Scythians Past and Present" ('Edinburgh Review,' July 1929, pp. 108-122), and " The Sons of Gog " (' English Review,' March 1930).

[LongMa]

Paul Nazaroff "Hunted Through Central Asia" Oxford University Press 1993
First published 1932

http://www.us.oup.co...DE5MjgwMzY4OQ==

pp.286-288
Over an immense area in Asia where the wandering Kazakhs ("Kirghiz" in the text - old pre-revolutionary name used by Russians for Kazakhs - A.)

So what is the difference between these Kazakhs and the present day Kirghiz? They are obviously related by culture and language...my understanding is a fluent Kirghiz speaker can understand almost everything a Kazakh says and they also have the hawk training culture, horseback culture, drink kumis, I'm sure there are some differences but they have to be marginal to outsiders.

Edited by LongMa, 26 June 2008 - 01:46 PM.

[Saiak]

So what is the difference between these Kazakhs and the present day Kirghiz?

I think there are no major physical differences; both posses a wide spectrum of skull structures, eye shapes, and skin pigmentation levels. Culturally, both are Turkic - speaking, predominantly "Shamano" - Islamic, nomadic people with a strong sense of tribalism.
However, there are quite a few differences in genetics of these people.

Kazakhs originate from Kypchaks, Mongols etc(Golden Horde)

Kyrgyz are from Altai mountains, Enesai river in central Siberia(North - East of Mongolia)
- Based on genetic studies the link was found between modern Kyrgyz and Siberian Altaic remnants... that's a general view. I might be wrong, therefore I'd be glad if real experts were to correct me, as I'm very interested in my people