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#46 sg_han

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 08:45 AM

Indonesia's population is around 220+ millions peoples and Malaysia is around 30 millions. again not all races in malaysia can speaks malay. If Malay is 4th most spoken I wonder how high is Bahasa Indonesia.

Btw, I have the feeling that this is also a case about Malaysia counted Indonesian's culture as part of theirs. Example of the tari pendet, wayang kulit, batik disputes give me this negative thinking.



Nothing new....Singapore had better keep its chilli crab, bak kut teh, etc and indonesia had better protect its batik, ethnic dances and songs etc
malaysia has disputes with just about every country surrounding it. yes even islamic indonesia and brunei.
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 03:52 AM

i seen wikipedia's ranking of languages. Bahasa Melayu is ranked 35th and Bahasa Indonesia is rank at around 40th i think...

sg_han ... chilli crab is a dish that is created in Singapore during the 1950s. Malaysia has no rights to claim it as theirs.
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 08:14 PM

i seen wikipedia's ranking of languages. Bahasa Melayu is ranked 35th and Bahasa Indonesia is rank at around 40th i think...

sg_han ... chilli crab is a dish that is created in Singapore during the 1950s. Malaysia has no rights to claim it as theirs.


then I doubt the method to rank Bahasa Indonesia in that wikipedia article. It is also not consistent compared to another article about Bahasa Indonesia here http://en.wikipedia....nesian_language. In this article it is rank 50 and Melayu rank 53 . http://en.wikipedia..../Malay_language

Bahasa Indonesia is like Mandarin for China, it is a national language.

Meanwhile this topic is titled Malay language (Bahasa Melayu) and sub title Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia. say something? :) Linking Malay to Bahasa Indonesia is perhaps like linking one of Mandarin language source to Mandarin. Bahasa Indonesia is sources is also included Javanese,arab,chinese,dutch and many more languages as its sources.

here is another link about most spoken language. http://www.photius.c...languages2.html

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 10:03 PM

Btw, I have the feeling that this is also a case about Malaysia counted Indonesian's culture as part of theirs. Example of the tari pendet, wayang kulit, batik disputes give me this negative thinking.

That will be strange given that the ones having those culture are not ethnically Malay.
Actually many years ago Indonesians also thought that Malaysia should be theirs; I have heard that there are "Eat-up Malaysia" propaganda during Sukarno times.

Meanwhile this topic is titled Malay language (Bahasa Melayu) and sub title Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia. say something? :) Linking Malay to Bahasa Indonesia is perhaps like linking one of Mandarin language source to Mandarin. Bahasa Indonesia is sources is also included Javanese,arab,chinese,dutch and many more languages as its sources.

The main source of Indonesian is actually Malay with others having much smaller proportions.
Just like main source of standard Mandarin is Beijing Mandarin (even though you find Wu words and classical words in it and it doesn't include some of the native Beijing words).

here is another link about most spoken language. http://www.photius.c...languages2.html

Well, that depends on whether you only count native speakers or you also count second-language speakers.
If second-language speakers were counted, perhaps English should be more than Mandarin, and Indonesian would have around 200 million total speakers.
Not sure, though, whether Malay will rank no4 after considering it.
If you combine Malaysian and Indonesian populations together (assuming they speak national language), it will be just above the Arabic as it seems that most of the Arab speakers are natively Arabic.
Some populations in Indonesia and Malaysia may not be able to speak national language, though I am also not sure if they will be counted in censuses.

Edited by qrasy, 02 November 2009 - 10:13 PM.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:50 AM

I have heard that there are "Eat-up Malaysia" propaganda during Sukarno times.



'Konfrontasi'

It is not surprise the Indonesians think this way because for a long period of time, especially during the pre-islamic period of Malay/Indonesian culture, the malay world centred around indonesia. malaysia(malacca) only rise up when an indonesian prince escaped to Malacca and founded the sultanate of melaka.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:24 AM

'Konfrontasi'

Which just means "Confrontation".
Actually "ganyang" means something like "to eat raw".
Something close to "devour".

It is not surprise the Indonesians think this way because for a long period of time, especially during the pre-islamic period of Malay/Indonesian culture, the malay world centred around indonesia. malaysia(malacca) only rise up when an indonesian prince escaped to Malacca and founded the sultanate of melaka.

It's said that Indonesia and Malaysia were separate because one of them was British colony while the other one was Dutch. So the division might have appeared to be a bit "artificial" to Indonesians of that time (who just got free from Dutch).

And actually "Indonesia" were never united until the colonization of the Dutch.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:45 PM

Konfrontasi is the "official" term written on historical book in Indonesia, while "ganyang" is a popular campaign wording. Yeah, the Old Order era was quite nasty to think about it. The dispute region, Northern Borneo (Sarawak), is from what I know also losely become part of Malaysia. Sarawak was ruled by "White Rajah" in colonial era. Meanwhile there is also a counter term using negatively sound "Indon" to address Indonesia's (illegal) worker in Malaysia, so can called it equal.

Srivijaya and Majapahit empire can counted as "united" Indonesia before colonization.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:46 PM

Indonesia became rather fragmanted after the fall of the Majapahit empire.
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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:32 AM

Marai-go yon shu-kan '' Learning Bahasa Melayu in Four Weeks '' (1912)


Gisaburo Yamamichi, 1912 Marai-go yon shu-kan, Shogo Kimata ed, Tokyo : Okazakiya syoten. One of the first publications for learning Malay in Japan



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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:21 AM

I have a question. Why did the Bahasa Melayu need to have english alphabets. Is the ancient format lost in history?

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:07 AM

I have a question. Why did the Bahasa Melayu need to have english alphabets. Is the ancient format lost in history?


It was not a written language until they adopted the arabic alphabets after 15th century and modified it to become Jawi.




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