Hi all, I believe Mao's greatest achievement was uniting the country as a whole (sans Taiwan) and making it strong enough to get rid of all the foreign interference in China's affairs. Suns democracy left the country weak. disunited and easily manipulated or sabotaged by foreign powers despite his vision and the lack of vision of his successors. In the end his democracy came to nothing.
You think the nation was weak b/c of the democracy, or b/c the process how the democracy was formed?
Is the disunited nation a result of lack of ability of the democracy, or was it b/c the necessary steps to overthrow Qing?
How was Sun's republic sabotaged by foreign powers?
And how did his democracy came to nothing? Last time I check my map, someone still call Sun the founding father, and his flag still fly.
The best that I could say for Mao in his defence is that the country was intact, strong and stable which was a good launch pad for the rapid rise of China since his demise. But I would not give him any credit for any of the economic achievements since his death. I think he was basically clueless in that regard. And his crimes against Chinese culture were unforgivable.
The sheer amount of effort require to make a nation ravaged by more then a century of continuous warfare, utterly deprived of modern capitals, and transferring it into something Deng can work with is something that is worthy of praise and applaud. Economics doesn't grow like magic trees, in fact, it decline when the necessary inputs are not there, and China at the founding of PRC, lack much of it, but in less then 30 years, China recover most if not all of its prior economic strength not relative to the world output, and this is including the chaotic time of C.R. Certainly, I am not defending his macro-economics, nor am I saying none of his decisions were wrong, however I think its also wrong to deprive him of his due credit.
Sometimes I try to picture what China would have been like now if Sun lived for another 20 years. If Chiang Kai Shek was victorious over Mao or even if Lu Shaoqui was allowed to remain in power. Many possibilities here both good and bad.
Liu Shaoqi was far from a good man; he is the man who lead the faction that claimed father's sin pass down to children, and children of those who are anti-revolutionary are also anti-revolutionary, it is their nature. I don't think it would be a good day for China. I prefer chaotic time of C.R were you actually got a chance to fight back rather then someone high up predetermine that you are a traitor and condemned you for actions most likely committed before your birth.
I think Dr Sun is undisputable founding father of China,his revolutionary led to the creation of Republic of China.
Hehe. A friendly comment, does this mean China was born in 1911, since its founding father was Sun Yet San, and that all those before the founding of ROC are not China? Or, you meant to say Sun Yet San was the founding father of Modern China?
Edited by mariusj, 24 October 2008 - 02:52 AM.