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[TMPikachu]

Midgard seperpent was a big snake. I don't think I've heard of any Nordic 'dragons' (snakey guys with limbs/wings)

[General_Zhaoyun]

You can also refer to Wikipedia for more info on Chinese dragon

http://en.wikipedia..../Chinese_dragon

[LiLShOrTaY]

HeyHey everyone,

Yesterday at work a colleage from my training period, and I were talking about something and so he came up with an interesting subject; the Chinese dragon.
He said that the Chinese dragon gives luck.
And than I had a flash-back about the dreams I had when I was about 4 to 6 years old.
I dreamt that there was a sort of monster that was flying through our house, the livingroom and was flying in cirkels.. and that 'monster' is, I strongly believe, a Chinese dragon. I remember it very well how it looks like and it sure does look like a Chinese dragon. (see below)
My thought was, that it really could have been that dragon because it has to do with the Chinese culture that is also running through my vains..??..
At that age, those dreams were nightmares to me!.. And I had that dream almost every night for a few years.. I had it even a few years ago once again!..
..so my big question here is; does anyone know what this means?!?...
I am searching for some more info about the Chinese dragons.. but I hope you can help me out too a little.. 'cuz to me, this pretty much is one heck of a mystery!.. .. heh..

Much Peace & Love,

LiLShOrTaY

[TMPikachu]

The only person that can analyze your dreams is you

think about the dream, think about what comes to mind. That's all there is to it.

What is the significance to you, why does it reoccur?

That's how you figure out dreams.

[LiLShOrTaY]

Alright thanx a lot guys
..gonna be investigating now..

Much Love 'n Respect,

LiLShOrTaY

[Craig]

Alright thanx a lot guys
..gonna be investigating now..

Much Love 'n Respect,

LiLShOrTaY

In reading the other posts I didn't see any mention of a possible origin of the dragon. Although prominent in myth and story, dragons may be derived from creatures whose skeletons and fossils can be found in Central Asia. Modern paleontology has determined that birds evolved from reptiles and that the transitional life forms were strikingly like dragons in that quills or feather stumps are present. One was found with a wing covering several eggs. So we have a reptilian dinosaur that could fly and brooding its young eggs; certainly a working definition of a dragon.

[Snafu]

The dragon could also be a holdover from very ancient times when the Chinese worshipped zoomorphic gods. Some mythical figures that are now presented as human (like Fuxi and Shennong) were once depicted as being half animal. Fuxi, who was once depicted as a snake-man, was the greatest of all the old god-kings, so maybe that's where the concept of the imperial dragon came from. It might have started out as Fuxi (who would naturally be the patron of any king) but eventually morphed into it's own seperate creature.

[Yun]

Has anyone tried comparing the Chinese 'long', the Middle Eastern (Babylonian) dragon, the European dragon, and the Southeast Asian naga?

Babylonian Dragon of Marduk:



http://www.dia.org/c...amia/31.25.html

Naga:





http://www.himmapan....mapan_naga.html

[RedStarOverChina]

U really believe in that stuff? Dreams giving you luck?

[kaixin]

I don't know if this is true, but they say Western fears of dragons (Medieval Times) were a holdover from the invasions by Attila the Hun. The Huns brought the dragon symbol from Asia and since they were killing people left and right in Europe, they must have thought both the Huns and their symbols to be demonic.

Also, I heard that the Han Chinese, Mongols and Manchus have different toes for their dragons. One has 3, one has 4 and the other has 5 toes. How about Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Tibetans and other Asians?

[DannyJo]

I don't know if this is true, but they say Western fears of dragons (Medieval Times) were a holdover from the invasions by Attila the Hun.  The Huns brought the dragon symbol from Asia and since they were killing people left and right in Europe, they must have thought both the Huns and their symbols to be demonic.

Also, I heard that the Han Chinese, Mongols and Manchus have different toes for their dragons.  One has 3, one has 4 and the other has 5 toes.  How about Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Tibetans and other Asians?

The western dragon is viewed differently from the Chinese dragon.
The western dragon is a hoarder of gold and treasure, a lurer of virgins an adversary to be destroyed by a hero, but this was not always the way. Most attribute this to the fact the Catholic Church viewed the dragon symbol as linked to paganism, thus in Christian Medieval tales the great saints defeat evil dragons. Christianity prevails over the Pagans.

Earliest people of the West who took the Dragon symbol would be the Celtic tribes of Europe even before the arrival of the Romans. The Celts held the red dragon as a symbol of authority for their Kings. The dragon spread after 100AD throughout the Roman Empire as a military insignia.

When the Hun swept through western Europe they brought with them their dragons. In Britain the red dragon of the celts faced the white dragon of the Saxon's in the battle for supremacy. Wales still holds the red dragon as it's flag, Saxon England was last represented by it's White dragon when King Harold fell at the battle of Hastings. And the Norman lion became England's symbol

[LiLShOrTaY]

U really believe in that stuff? Dreams giving you luck?

I'm openminded..
I want to know if this dream I have for a few years since I was about 4/5 years old, have a meaning.. it also came back a few years ago once.

Peace 'n Love..

[TMPikachu]

It has the meaning that you give it, that's all


as for Dragons in Christianity...

I've heard that early depictions of Angels have them as scaled, winged, with breath of fire/acid

and Satan is cursed to crawl on his belly (a snake), but if a snake could walk and fly (as an Angel), what would it be?

Biblical Angels get really bizzare looking, it seems to be more 'recent' a thing to depict them as handsome humans.

Nagas are probably derived from sightings of Oarfish

[Yun]

Other than the evil dragon of Revelation (representing Satan), there are no other dragons in the Bible as we know it today, but the Apocrypha books do contain a story about Daniel in Babylon, entitled Bel and the Dragon. It suggests that the dragon of Marduk was indeed worshipped as a god, but whether (as the story says) it was a real live creature is hard to say.

More on "Bel and the Dragon" and the Apocrypha: http://www.earlyjewi...gs.com/bel.html