3 more things I have to add.
1)have not found any more references on Chi Lung Wang the fire equipment son.
Can not find any info on old equipment either.
2) What I did find was another Dragon claiming to be the 9th son.
PIXIU, PIXIE, BIXIE, TIAN LU
It is a small dragon that looks like a grayish white dragon like panther, Qilin or a FuDog with wings and horns.
It has a fat belly that is full of the evil demons it loves to eat.
It has no rectum so the demons can not escape.
The Demons turn into money.
JiaoTu VS PiXiu
Knowing that FuDogs guard the front door. I had been wondering if the Fudog was the 9th son.
All the pictures I have found of JiaoTu look like lions or Fu Dogs with a ring held tightly in its mouth.
the ring is a simplified coin.
Unless I have missed a very stylized shell design , I have seen no shell designs for JiaoTu.( The only shell I have seen is on the fin of the line drawing of the Chewen/fish. The fin is a Conch shell.)
I know that the radical Shell / Bei4 means money so I can see a connection.
It does not seem to be the usual pun like Fu /luck and Fu/ Bat
Is there a shell or mussel called jiao that would explain the connection to money?
If the consensus is to dump JiaoTu in favour of PiXiu there are two problems.
first PiXiu is a pair, Pi is male, Xiu is female,
there would be 9sons and a Daughter.
That makes 10.
There is an explanation that the two are combined like the Phoenix is really a pair.
We still have a technicality to over come.
All the 9 sons are from the CHIH / Hornless dragon category .
Pi has one horn, Xie has two.
I have not found one list yet that had Pixiu listed with all the other sons. Every reference just mentions that it is the ninth son.
3) Publius mentioned 9 /jia = long life, Chrysanthemum (mum), etc.
I am going expand on the number 9
A number that shows up often in Chinese lore.
the magic square has nine squares.
In the modern new age metaphysical thinking of the west. (which was mostly just rewritten eastern knowledge) there is a line of though that the gods have three aspects.
Most people are familiar with the Christian father son and holy ghost. t
There is older mythology that states it as maiden/son, mother/father ,crone/old man. Each one can again divide into three more.
Each aspect has its own particular traits slightly different than the main aspect.
For example: Athena/Minerva
maiden: Nike, Victory, Pallas
Mother: goddess of Wisdom,Goddess of arts /crafts,Goddess of metalworking
Crone: Medusa, Goddess of War, goddess of vengeance (as in the story of Aracnide)
( a slight twist to the normal pattern, Athena is a virgin, she has her child Pegasus when Medusa dies )
If you apply this formula to the 9 sons this would explain the interweaving of names and traits.
We have noticed that Chewen seems to have a lot of different possible names.
the Chi lung Wang fights fire, I am convinced this is an aspect of Chiwen.
Publius suggested that jiaotu was Bian. They both are on doors , but I see Chewen as a fish /whale much closer to jiao tu with the water /sea aspect.
The other pictures of Chewen look a great deal like Qilin.
If there is a connection with Jiaotu and Pixiu , then Pixiu looks like Qilin also.
Publius said there is a mum and a dragon on the forum wallpaper.( I love the design and wish I could see it a bit better without the overlaying forum stuff. )
The paper is saying nine sons. It is also saying something else.
There are two dragons in the paper.
A dark dragon that you see right away and the cloud background has a cloud-like RuYi.
The RuYi is the head of the other dragon. It is looking right at you, hidden in the clouds. The clouds are the hidden Female dragon. so there is a yin and a yang.
This opens up a whole other aspect of the design.The pair of Pi Xiu might fit into this.
There are 9 sons and 9 daughters.
Edited by kaiselin, 30 January 2007 - 12:00 AM.