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#106 CARDINAL009

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:35 PM

You can begin your exploration here: http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=4704

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Good job Pattie. Thks.

Anything on a blue eye white dragon or a red eye black dragon!?
Just Kidding.

As this Cardinal glanced through the material behind each link, an abundant of great research by many ppl.

Edited by CARDINAL009, 07 August 2007 - 08:41 PM.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:50 PM

Good job Pattie. Thks.



:blush: A pleasure.

Anything on a blue eye white dragon or a red eye black dragon!?


I'm a Exodia kinda girl, myself. Sorry. :P

Just Kidding.


lol I'm not!
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:54 PM

:blush: A pleasure.
I'm a Exodia kinda girl, myself. Sorry. :P
lol I'm not!


Thought you were a Dark Magician girl.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:56 PM

Thought you were a Dark Magician girl.


Shhh...the wife might hear!!
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:06 PM

Shhh...the wife might hear!!


She knows. You can also stop dressing as the harpie lady!
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:17 PM

She knows. You can also stop dressing as the harpie lady!


<snort!> Get out from behind that potted plant!
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 08:44 AM

Interesting that 5 of the 6 were mang and not long.

It has been my experience, in these modern times ;), to see that artists defaulting to 5 toed. It's nice to see I'm wrong.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:14 AM

Interesting that 5 of the 6 were mang and not long.

It has been my experience, in these modern times ;), to see that artists defaulting to 5 toed. It's nice to see I'm wrong.

I didn't get this one.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 12:59 PM

I didn't get this one.


I don't either, thirdgumi,

There are many subcategories of 龍/ LONG. they can be anywhere from the 5 toed imperial 龍 ,
to the snake like legless ones.

The character 龍 translates to approximate in English what we call a dragon. In china it is a much more spiritual being.

The sound and description for龍 is:

lóng máng long [1] [n] dragon [2] of the emperor; imperial [3] a huge extinct reptile [4] a Chinese family name [5] Kangxi radical 212


I have never run across any difference, and as far as I know LONG and MANG are the same thing.

Pattie, Can you please explain what you mean and give some reference for your info?

Edited by kaiselin, 08 August 2007 - 01:30 PM.

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 03:28 AM

Don't forget the 青龍:

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 05:55 AM

Don't forget the 青龍:

Very nice.

Very often, the dragons in Asia are described as consisted of several parts, belonging to different animals.

The body is the one of the snake, covered with scales like those of the carp. Legs are similar to those of the tiger, ended by the claws of the eagle. The shape of the head is the one of the dromedary and it has a pair of horns of deer or sometimes antelope; he always wears mustaches and goatee, very long.

Frequently, besides horns, two antennas decorate the head. Eyes can be the ones of the hare and the ears those of the bull. The neck is often provided with mane as the lion, it sometimes concerns it elbows. In Vietnam, the 龍 possesses a crest of 81 scales.

The legs of the Asian dragon are provided with a definite number of claws. This number, from 3 to 5, is an indicator of the "rank" that the dragon occupies at his fellow creature's. Indeed, the dragon in 5 claws, is considered as the most powerful.

Only the Emperor of China could use this emblem, as well as his family. That is why any element of garment, furniture or architecture struck by the dragon in 5 claws was attributed to the imperial family and respected as it is. The big noble persons and the mandarins were able to use in turn this emblem according to relation with the power.

In Korea and in Indonesia, we find generally only dragons in 4 fingers. Those provide with three fingers are more common in Japan.

In China, the color of dragons is important and determines at the same moment their environment, their powers and their rank.

So the yellow color is alloted to the Emperor of China. It indicates the highlight of the power and the divinity. Only the emperor can regenerate the cosmic and social order, and the dragon is his intermediary with the sky, the immortal. This quasi-divine quality given to the yellow color comes maybe from the legend which tells that a yellow dragon came out of the water to bow to Fu Hsi, the legendary emperor, and that he handed him the knowledge of the writing.

The green color of the dragon indicates is it, the rise of the yang, the revival of the vegetation. To Song, it is the liver.

King of the dragons of east waters, the North, south and western is called tang Dog, his color is red-blood and he is 900 feet long. The blood of dragons has the essential colors of the sky and the earth: yellow and black.

Dragons are bound to the liquid element. In Asia, numerous temples in which they are displayed are situated in border of lakes, rivers and stream. Every water source, pond or arm of the sea possesses its dragon, the spirit of the place, that it is advisable to win by offerings.

Their power averts the drought by bringing the rain (thanks to the brightness of the sacred pearl of which he is the guard) or by creating springs. The rite of Qiu consists for the farmers to make a dragon of paper on a wooden armature and to arrange it in a dried up river bed. Priests recite invocations and imitate the rumbling of the thunder thanks to drums so that the king-dragon releases the water of heavens. This king-dragon, master of the sky, is represented spitting the fire, he can bring down lightning, flashes of lighting and thunderstorms. He is a symbol of fertility, for the earth as for the women. On the contrary, he can ease the floods.

If he is ascending with his mouth spitting of the foliage, he symbolizes the revival of the life under the shape of the spring. Represented devouring the sun or the moon, the dragon is the symbol of eclipses, which sit in his head and his tail. Some authors counted 4 types of dragons Long in China:

>Tien long, celestial dragons, guards of the houses of the Gods and Immortals
>Shen long, the dragons spirits, which control the wind and the rain
>Ti long, the dragons of the earth, controlling streams and seas of the world
>Fou tsang long, dragons of the underground world, guards of precious metals and gemstones, but also buried treasures.

A traditional representation of the dragon in Tao is the one with the sacred pearl, that he holds in the mouth, under the chin or between claws. The sacred pearl is kept by the dragon in a palace situated at the bottom of seas. This pearl symbolizes the creation, contains the wisdom and the knowledge and the dragon which holds it mean the cosmic energy and the movement. It also fulfills all the wishes, it is for that reason that it is severely defended.

Years under the sign of the dragon are considered in Asia as convenient to the business, to the personal realization. Generally this sign is beneficial, it chases away the evil spirits. In Vietnam, the new year always begins with the dance of the unicorn, which is in fact an immense dragon made of colored or painted cloth, shaken by several carriers hidden under him. If the dragon comes to cross in a house or a business, prosperity, luck are insured for the coming year.
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Posted 09 August 2007 - 08:20 AM

Very often, the dragons in Asia are described as consisted of several parts, belonging to different animals.

The body is the one of the snake, covered with scales like those of the carp. Legs are similar to those of the tiger, ended by the claws of the eagle. The shape of the head is the one of the dromedary and it has a pair of horns of deer or sometimes antelope; he always wears mustaches and goatee, very long.

Frequently, besides horns, two antennas decorate the head. Eyes can be the ones of the hare and the ears those of the bull. The neck is often provided with mane as the lion, it sometimes concerns it elbows. In Vietnam, the 龍 possesses a crest of 81 scales.


Also, they are considered to be deaf.

The legs of the Asian dragon are provided with a definite number of claws. This number, from 3 to 5, is an indicator of the "rank" that the dragon occupies at his fellow creature's. Indeed, the dragon in 5 claws, is considered as the most powerful.


The 4 clawed are mang, the 5 clawed, long.
http://www.blackdrag...ragons.htm#misc
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In China, the color of dragons is important and determines at the same moment their environment, their powers and their rank.

So the yellow color is allotted to the Emperor of China. It indicates the highlight of the power and the divinity. Only the emperor can regenerate the cosmic and social order, and the dragon is his intermediary with the sky, the immortal. This quasi-divine quality given to the yellow color comes maybe from the legend which tells that a yellow dragon came out of the water to bow to Fu Hsi, the legendary emperor, and that he handed him the knowledge of the writing.


The artist in me think that all this yellow is meant to mimic gold. From the roof tiles to the clothing.

>Tien long, celestial dragons, guards of the houses of the Gods and Immortals
>Shen long, the dragons spirits, which control the wind and the rain
>Ti long, the dragons of the earth, controlling streams and seas of the world
>Fou tsang long, dragons of the underground world, guards of precious metals and gemstones, but also buried treasures.


I have to admit, that part of me is disappointed that there aren't 5 types of dragons (and that one of the three wisemen wasn't representing the sea...but that's another thread.) With these 4 we have represented immortals, skies, earth AND sea, riches. I wanna split the sea off and make it its own dragon! ^__^

Years under the sign of the dragon


I'm a dragon! ^__^ There's a poll we need...which zodiac creature are you.....
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Posted 09 August 2007 - 09:16 AM

The 4 clawed are mang, the 5 clawed, long.
http://www.blackdrag...ragons.htm#misc
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Shirking work? You bet'cha! This is the book I was referring to on the above.
http://www.amazon.co...g...0044&sr=8-1
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Posted 09 August 2007 - 01:59 PM

Thank you Pattie! I am sure this book is interesting.

According to an article in Mingpao, the tendency of some Chinese would be to change the Chinese cultural marks to give a better image of China in the West " affected " by the dragon...

At the origin of the debate, a professor of the foreign languages of Shanghai who explains that the vision connected with the 'Westerner' dragon is negative and in aggressive connotation. This would have created, during the history,many misunderstandings and prejudices on China. That is why he suggested to create a quite new image for China in the world.

Only a minority supports this new thesis, arguing that the image of the dragon is too much connected with the feudal dynasties and that it is necessary to get loose from it by finding another animal...


The dragon is also a symbol in Brittany (West area of France) with the story of king Arthur. He is present on many Celtic emblem in particular on the flag of the Wales and on the one of Trégor (area of Brittany). For the Breton, the dragon belongs above all to beautiful legends and mythology...

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Is there common points between the way Celtic are seeing the dragon and the way Chinese are considering it ?

For example : we find the assimilation of the dragon in the power of the Leader in Brittany, with the King Uther who was the father of Arthur and who had been nicknamed "Pendragon", or " head of dragon ".
The legend says that in the place where a fortress had to be set up, under the foundations, two enormous dragons appeared, one was red, the other white. A difficult fight between the fabulous animals followed ... And it is finally the beautiful white dragon who won. And so the white dragon became symbol of the Breton nation...
We also find these dragons living in the earth in the other legends where the earth is compared with a dragon, and where it is question of the veins of the Dragon that the elders tried to concentrate by raising to it dolmens and other raised stones...

All the western visions of the dragon are not necessarily negative, at least not by the Celts...

Edited by Liu, 09 August 2007 - 02:02 PM.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:48 AM

Speaking about dragons, i suddenly recalled a statement made by Neapolean, this person who wanted to conquer Europe & the man behind the neapoleanic wars.

He once ever made this statement in which he made this Quote saying : " China Is a Sleeping Dragon, Lt it Sleep! "

i guess when he made this statement, he did not see China as a weak country & feels that China is country not to be touched. He wouldn't want to anger & awaken this Sleeping Dragon, dispite that China back then at that point of time was a weak country
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