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[Liu Bei]

Anyone here have Facebook???

We should make a China history forum group in Facebook!

[Andy Lau]

i do.. i created many groups myself hehe

[Andy Lau]

here is the group XD http://www.facebook....?gid=4580971393

Edited by Andy Lau, 12 August 2007 - 10:30 PM.

[Yang Zongbao]

I must say the number one reason I'm rather not up for joining is the Cantonese separatist group that's related to it.

[Andy Lau]

I must say the number one reason I'm rather not up for joining is the Cantonese separatist group that's related to it.

The admin of that group is not a cantonese seperatist at heart... He is a Kuomintang supporter aka Chinese Nationalist, with a believe in democracy and some socialism. There is now a Northerner who is an admin and a mix (half chinese and half scot). He is only part of that group (Canto Independence) & an admin because he believes it is a response or option to pressure the Beijing gov;t to stop this Mandarin Only Policy upon Shanghainese and Cantonese..which are very important business languages.. That guy is more a pro-unify China than a seperatist.. Poke him and see his facebook groups and you;ll see that he has a United China group that he founded hehe

By the way, his views on that group will be neutral because he is admin and the admin always has responsibilites... He has this Chinese Canadian group and is very neutral on all topics. The only group he might be slightly biased is the Cantonese Independence group, but he even states on the group wall that he is not a seperatist at heart.. hehe

Edited by Andy Lau, 12 August 2007 - 10:27 PM.

[Yang Zongbao]

But still. I am not comfortable with sanctioning this CHF group.

[Andy Lau]

But still. I am not comfortable with sanctioning this CHF group.

Umm there is 3 adminstrators: a Southern Chinese, a Northern Chinese and a Chinese/Scot. What is there to fear? It's not like there is only 1 administrator who controls the whole group..

[Mok]

Umm there is 3 adminstrators: a Southern Chinese, a Northern Chinese and a Chinese/Scot. What is there to fear? It's not like there is only 1 administrator who controls the whole group..

Bad idea all around. I mean, if you guys want to set up a Chinese history group, by all means. No one's stopping you - but I draw the line at using CHF's name. We do not associate or affiliate ourselves with groups that we have not specifically sanctioned or approved.

It's just a policy; don't read into it.

Mok

[Wujiang]

Admin no. 3 for vetoing this.
Which means it is now officially off the table.

[Yang Zongbao]

And one of your admins, to the best of my knowledge, isn't even a member of CHF, and I know at least one of them has a Southern pride agenda a somewhat reminiscent of Kaixin that I am also unwilling to make a representative of CHF. I don't see the point of you offering that one's southern and one's northern anyways, the distinction only makes me more wary.

In any case, I do believe that authority was overstepped in making this group, and I'm electing to offer no official support for this group, and we do not allow you to use our name or represent us. No permission had been given to use the name, and the creator isn't even a staff member.

Kill it please.

[Andy Lau]

Yang Zongbao, i think it's best if the creator of this site(original CHF) makes this decision - to kill this CHF Facebook group - and NOT this one admin out of the dozens out there, who is a Northerner. I think you just don't like the fact that a Southern Chinese is the creator of that group. The point of having a northerner and a southerner admin, is to show there is equality in the group and that there is no bias. To make things more fair, i'll add an admin from this site to the one on facebook. I created that group not to promote cantonese independence, but because someone mentioned it, so i created it for fun... Don't make a little thing into a big one plz.. That is what facebook is all about. For example, you have Edison Chen fan groups and does Edison's offical site make any complaints..i don't think so. I think you (Yang Zongbao) have a thing against Southern Chinese =/

As you mentioned before that "one of the reasons" you did not want to join the group was due to the fact that I was an admin of a Cantonese Independence group..so what?! I am still Chinese and everyone has their own opinions on certain subjects. But in reality, i am not a Cantonese seperatist at heart... It's normal everyone has their own opinions on certain topics, but when you're an admin of a group or site that caters to a broader audience.. you have the responsibility to be neutral on all matters and not express them. I also wonder what is your other reason why you did not wanted to join the group? hmm... me being cantonese?

NB: I resigned as admin of the Cantonese Independence a few days ago just to show loyalty and proof that i am not a real Cantonese seperatist, just check it out on the group.

Edited by Andy Lau, 15 August 2007 - 12:26 AM.

[Yang Zongbao]

Yang Zongbao, i think it's best if the creator of this site(original CHF) makes this decision - to kill this CHF Facebook group - and NOT this one admin out of the dozens out there, who is a Northerner. I think you just don't like the fact that a Southern Chinese is the creator of that group. The point of having a northerner and a southerner admin, is to show there is equality in the group and that there is no bias. To make things more fair, i'll add an admin from this site to the one on for fun... Don't make a little thing into a big one plz.. That is what facebook is all afacebook. I created that group not to promote cantonese independence, but because someone mentioned it, so i created it bout. For example, you have Edison Chen fan groups and does Edison's offical site make any complaints..i don't think so. I think you (Yang Zongbao) have a thing against Southern Chinese =/

As you mentioned before that "one of the reasons" you did not want to join the group was due to the fact that I was an admin of a Cantonese Independence group..so what?! I am still Chinese and everyone has their own opinions on certain subjects. But in reality, i am not a Cantonese seperatist at heart... It's normal everyone has their own opinions on certain topics, but when you're an admin of a group or site that caters to a broader audience.. you have the responsibility to be neutral on all matters and not express them. I also wonder what is your other reason why you did not wanted to join the group? hmm... me being cantonese?

NB: I resigned as admin of the Cantonese Independence a few days ago just to show loyalty and proof that i am not a real Cantonese seperatist, just check it out on the group.

What the hell are you talking about? I am a Southern Chinese person. I am a Cantonese, as well as a Minnan. Do your research before you make such a blind judgment. What a cheap shot. Since you're Cantonese, if I oppose you, then certainly I must have a grudge against Cantonese, right? Your urgency to run a victimization argument disgusts me, and the accusation of me as a hater of Cantonese offends me at a personal level.

I don't really care whether you yourself are loyal to PRC, ROC, or the idea of a Nan Yue Min Guo. It's the radical ideology that I am extremely wary of. I've seen all too many people on CHF who seem to be super concerned on the differences between Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese, and how somehow one is more pure than the other. These are the people I most frequently see throwing around the "Northern Chinese" or "Southern Chinese" distinctions, as if they're somehow two ethnic groups. All I see is Chinese, and your obsession with the difference concerns me greatly. But this is just a side argument.

Edison Chen is irrelevant. You're free to make your own Chinese History group. But the bottom line is, we withhold permission to use the name of CHF. That's not changing. Anyways, you've already seen that it's not only myself, but the main body of the administrative staff that opposes such a movement. And GZ has given us full power to officiate over the forum, and we are certain he would concur with our assessment.

P.S.

Your rush to paint me as a Northern Chinese Racist was cowardly move. It was unsubstantiated slander that needlessly turned this into something personal. But if you are willing to apologize, then I will certainly also be willing to remove the warning I have given you and bury the personal slight so that we may continue to get along.

[Andy Lau]

i sent you an e-mail... I'll try to modify the name then if the administration is really concerned about me being "radical" which i am not - rather a liberal, but usually you can't change it after creating the group. I'll send a e-mail to the admin of facebook to ask for a change in name due to another site's request. But if i can't i'll just resign from adminstration of that facebook group and let other people from this site run it... But really, you should not make such a big deal out of this and how would you know that i am a radical cantonese seperatist? Check all the other groups i created besides the "Cantonese Independence" you'll see i am a very neutral =/

Here are just some of my groups on Facebook ^^:
Sze Yap - http://www.facebook....?gid=2229321243
Chinese Canadian - http://www.facebook....?gid=2308165717
Montreal Chinese - http://www.facebook....?gid=2240114080
Kaiping - http://www.facebook....?gid=2230014033
United China - http://www.facebook....?gid=2232729263

Edited by Andy Lau, 15 August 2007 - 10:29 AM.