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#31 Grigori

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 03:38 AM

Chapter 5B

26th July 1741, Beihai Retreat. Afternoon

How time flies when you're not having fun. The back pain is now excruciating. Qianlong cancelled the events of the day and decides to return to his bed at the Forbidden Palace. It's a short walk really but he decided to take the sedan chair. A deeply tanned Han chinese was called over to walk beside the sedan bearers.

"Captain I understand it was your ships that circumnavigated our Terra Astralis Incognito. And yet you have nothing to show for it?"

It was not a question but a simple statement of fact. The twenty odd ships commissioned by the Emperor did manage to establish the existance of a Southern Continent. But they found no kingdoms to pay tribute. In fact they hardly saw any foreign people at all. Not even barbarians, only some simple tribesmen with nothing to trade.

"Your Majesty we brought word of your greatness to all the people we encountered. We didn't spend as much time on land as we hoped. But the Imperial cartographer we were assigned overruled our deep reconaissance. I believe if we were allowed greater lattitude we would certainly find undiscovered kingdoms further inland."

"Captain I don't think you realize what your detractors have been claiming. They're saying this was a waste of time and resources. They're saying you've discovered a poor country with few people, who showed no possession of gold or silver. They're saying we should convert your floatillia to transport grain from north to south China and vice versa."

"If I may be bold Your Majesty, my detractors are only unhappy to see a Han Chinese being given such responsibility from the emperor. My cartographer even tried to. . ."

Qianlong interrupted "Are you complaining after all the opportunities I've given you?"

"I wouldn't dare Your Majesty. I can never repay the generousity and protection you have provide me. I would however suggest that my ships can provide a greater service to the national grain situation than my short-sighted detractors can understand."

"Interesting. Continue." The Emperor is genuinely amused.

The Han sea captain clears his throat dramatically, as if he has been preparing this presentation for sometime.

"Your Majesty is entirely correct that we may not find the kind of treasure the Spanish found in the Americas. But surely you have read my report of the strange phenomenon concerning the climate of the Southern Continent - that the seasons are reversed from all the known world."

"As a matter of fact, I recall your report said the northern half of the continent had two seasons, wet and dry like the tropics of Annam and Siam. The southern half you said had four seasons and was temperate like north China. The Jesuits tell me the south coast you charted is on the same latitude as Beijing."

"Your Majesty's memory is perfection itself. Annam and Siam are rich rice producing countries, and north China grows millet, sorghum, wheat, and soybeans like no other part of the world. I believe these crops can be grown and harvested on the Southern Continent. Most importantly, due to the opposite seasons we could grow summer crops in the winter and winter crops in the summer, thus assuring a year round supply of harvests."

Despite the pain the Emperor sat up in his sedan chair.

"What you're proposing would require immense investment in ship-building. And where would I find farmers to do this work?"

"Your Majesty, I am a simple fisherman driven to the sea because my grandfather had no land to bequeath his children. The population is booming under your benevolent rule. Grant the people land and extend your protection to across the seas and we shall have no trouble finding farmers. The increased harvest tax and reduced cost of famine relief can pay for our investment in ships. Besides the arable land of the Southern Continent is all close to the coasts. We cannot hope for more ideal conditions. I'm willing to go back and bring a few hundred farmers to conduct an experimental farm. That at least should be a small investment."

Qianlong was quiet for a long pregnant moment. Could this be the way to finally solve the periodic drought and flood disasters no ruler had solved since Da Yu? It sounds so preposterous, so contrary to his understanding of agriculture. Just imagine it, the oft drought hit Gansu and Zhili provinces could have backup crops every year. This promised to be nothing less than transformational. A simple experiment deserves to be tried.

"Captain, you prove surprisingly useful. You will have your chance."



Summary
Objectives :
1. Establish agricultural colonies in Australia to ease famine, especially in Gansu, Zhili (Hebei) provinces. Provide a means to employ the surplus population and build a sizable sea going fleet.

Edited by Grigori, 26 July 2005 - 04:57 AM.


#32 Grigori

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:49 AM

Chapter 5C

26th July 1741, Forbidden City. Evening

Emperor Qianlong is a creature of habit, Following his usual routine of reviewing paintings and calligraphy in his study he goes early to bed. Today he is especially relieved to be laying down as his back pain prevented him from pursuing more productive business. All this trouble because of that silly Indian stretching exercise his concubines enjoy so much. He even caught some of the eunuchs practicing when they thought he wasn't looking. It was spread secretly by a returning envoy from the Indian mission. What is his name? The Emperor entertained dark thoughts of banishment to someplace cold and hard.

Still there is a sense of excitement in the anticipation of the return of his other diplomatic mission to Russia. Qianlong recieved word recently that the first of his envoys had crossed into Mongolia and should be at the Imperial palace within weeks. They could come home sooner if they didn't have to travel around Zunghar territory. It's too bad because old man Tulisen had died a year earlier. He had gone on a diplomatic mission in 1712 and tutored many of the new diplomats. Tulisen had so looked forward to seeing his work come full circle. Those pesty Zunghars, keeping Qing and Russian empires further apart than necessary. Someday Qianlong will have to deal with them.

The Emperor has great expectations for the Russian mission. The Russians are the only major external threat the Qing face. With military and agricultural enterprises now oriented south to Burma and Australia, it would be worthwhile to ensure friendly relations with the northern neighbors. Qianlong's envoys had to make concessions to make sure the Russians are happy. The Treaty of Kiakhta of 1728 left some unfinished territorial claims along the River Ob. This now had to be resolve on favorable terms for the Russians, who also gained greater trade access to the Qing Empire. In exchange Qing gain the right to establish a permanent embassy in Moscow allowing unprecedented contact.

None of this was easy however. Czarina Anna took a great deal of pursuading to come to an agreement. Fortunatly she came through just before her death last year. The situation is Russia is now in a state of unease as the new Czar is an infant with her mother the ruling regent. As it would take far too long for the child to mature into his role, it seemed likely Peter the Great's daughter Elizabeth might make a grab for power. That day may come very soon and Qianlong is pleased his embassador had the accumen for getting on good terms with both sides. Chinese and Russian culture maybe world's apart, but Chinese are no strangers to palace intrigue.

Well that's it for this evening. The Emperor's last thoughts returned to his backpains. What is that man's name? He just thought of an excellent place to send him away to.


Summary
Objectives :
1. Bringing East and West closer together. Prepare to examine and adopt westernization reforms pioneered by Peter the Great.

#33 lord_of_10000_years

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 03:14 AM

If you were a emperor of the Qing Dynasty what would you do ?

would you have several manchu concubines ?
would be controlled by corrupt ministers ?
would you have a name ?
how many children would you wanna have ?
would you expand china ?

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If I am the son of heaven, I will first plot the murder or assination of Ci Xi, then i will proceed in consolidating my power in court by destroying the conservatives and promote the modernists. With the help of modernists I will reform the antique system of education, economy and millitary of China. i will also try to deal with western powers through diplomatic means by playing one force against the other (Brittain VS French etc,). I will also promote industralisation of the country through rapid modernisation of the backward economy. The general idea is to strengthen the national economy, increaed millitary might and allow seeds of capitalism to spread constructively while mantaining the prestige and dignity of the absolute monarch.

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 12:38 PM

If I am the son of heaven, I will first plot the murder or assination of Ci Xi, then i will proceed in consolidating my power in court by destroying the conservatives and promote the modernists. With the help of modernists I will reform the antique system of education, economy and millitary of China. i will also try to deal with western powers through diplomatic means by playing one force against the other (Brittain VS French etc,). I will also promote industralisation of the country through rapid modernisation of the backward economy. The general idea is to strengthen the national economy, increaed millitary might and allow seeds of capitalism to spread constructively while mantaining the prestige and dignity of the absolute monarch.

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getting rid of cixi and the conservatives, as well as "rapid modernisation of the backward economy," might just cause a full-scale revolution in china. people look down upon cixi because she retarded chinese reform prior to the boxer rebellion. in reality, her foremost goal was to uphold the rule of the manchus. her reforms initiated after the boxer rebellion was almost everything the guangxu emperor wanted in the 100 days reform, in the end, it did lead to the destruction of the dynasty...

so maybe not "murder or assassinatnion," a better way might be to do as she did unto guangxu and throw her into "palace arres-" i mean, "palace safeguarding."

#35 stephyzzz

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 03:52 AM

would you have several manchu concubines ?
would be controlled by corrupt ministers ?
would you have a name ?
how many children would you wanna have ?
would you expand china ?


i will have limit to the amount of concbines...
no more than a certain amount.

my ministers can't be corrupt, bczo i will destroy them ..
i will have department that check the financial state and the activites of my seniors ministe especiall those old ministers.
this department is led by the my brother who is a prince.
trustworthly one.

yes i wanted my name to be left on the history book and everyone know my name ..!!!

my children? i limited to only 4 son and many daughters.
coz too many sons ,later the fighting over throne will occurs
daughter more
to spread the family treee...surfname of WONG

yes i will expand china but safetly measurement will be taken .
which means i will only expand china if i have same level of knowledgae lke western power.
i will make those powerful bombers to bomb and my treasury must be over full with gold..

#36 Too hi Fat

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 05:12 AM

What era are we talking about here ?

Early days ? (<100years after all the Mings are dead?)
Middle ?
Late ? (<100 years before fall in 1912?)

or In general ?

Well ... if we take the "in general" term ... I'll ignore the rest couse it gets too long to explain.

would you have several manchu concubines ?

- HELLA YES ... I'd also rebuild the navy and have them go around the world and bring me back MORE! :icon15: :lol: :haha: :lol:

As Mel Brooks says "It's GOOD to be the king!"

would be controlled by corrupt ministers ?
- NO! I'd take them outside and have them publically humiliated ... The I would institute a democratic system to have miniters and members of parliment and senate (Universal sufferage). And have them run the Empire while I retain the real power. I would have a "No hands on" policy (Proxy constitutional Monarch). I'll stop or else it'd turn into a 10000 word essay.

This means more time for my concubines : :D :haha: :lol:
*Directs the Imperial musicians to play "70's Funk music"
*BWA WAKKA WAKKA WAA WAA WAKKA WAA ..."

would you have a name ?
- YES! ... "All hail to our Emporer Too Hi Fat!"

how many children would you wanna have ?
- Maximum 3 ... that I'd admit to having ... I dun wanna pay that much $ in child support.

would you expand china ?
- TOTALLY, I'd initiate a full scale exploration, trade and settlement scheme. Both land and sea.

I'd also make education universal. Basic health care universal. Have a decent tax system that tax the rich more and less on the poor. University access for all that can make it in ... and Science Institute and also Foreign relations where ever my lads go.

I have not decided to weather to instigate "Beating the Lying Basta-rds"policy ... politicians and are caught lying and being corrupt shall be striped naked and have the people in his/her electrot spank em with a 2/4 plank! ... this is on top of Public Humiliation ...

I'd do this regardless weather I am a Manchu Emporer or a Ming Emporer or Tang emporer.

Dun wanna be Song Emporer ... heard that those guys has kooties (May be a rumour but I dun wanna take the risk!) :icon15: :yucky:
I am not racist or sexist or ultrapatriotic or homophobic or moralist or bias in any other way.

I hate EVERYONE EQUALLY!

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 04:02 AM

If you were a emperor of the Qing Dynasty what would you do ?

I would take over from YongZheng, concentrate on improving the art of firing porcelain to surpass him, and probably fail. :rolleyes:

#38 Six_and_Up

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 11:16 AM

If i was the emperor i'd take over from qianlong. I'd first kill off He Shen and check corruption like Yongzheng did.

Secondly I'd start a cultural exchange with the west and since the west likes luxury goods from china, i'd underage a luxuries for technology trade program with europe. I'd start a slow reforming of industry, government, education and military. Sichuan would be my base to start building industry and i would expand it from there. Next would be education and government reforms, introducing subjects such as maths next to traditional studies.

Lastly after the all those projects are underway i'd turn my attention on the armed forces. I'd start modernisation firstly via creating a small army completely loyal to the emperer with modern arms and training, hiring european officers to train my troops. Once thats established, i'd have a force capable of ensuring that the conservatives be checked. Military reform would be slowly made into the other banners. I would not focus much on navy for the time being but i'd make sure ports had adequete defences.

China would catch up to Europe around 1860 if all goes to plan. And one last thing is that i'd make sure my son isn't a idiot who'd destroy all i've done.

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 12:34 AM

would you have several manchu concubines ?
would be controlled by corrupt ministers ?
would you have a name ?
how many children would you wanna have ?
would you expand china ?

no. concubines are the ones the emperor makes him sick. i prefer a single wife.

no. i can use professional ones, especially the ones studied in foreign schools. And even founding the "University of China" to educate the Chinese people regardless of their religion.
and i can gave enough powers to a prime minister, to the parliament, and to the people. emperors are not born to be divine. they are mortal. and symbol of the state's dignity.
I would even call fourth Guomindang or the Communists to join in the session of the Imperial People's Congress

yes. i can be kangde guangzu.

two or three. an example of a responsible father of the nation.

i prefer trade, not by the sword. it makes china weak. it can destroy the economy of the state.
i can declare tibet independent. tibet prefers to be alone even chinese turkestan. about hainan, mongolia and formosa. its better for them to run themselves alone as autonomous regions.
in short, i prefer china a simple medium state.

Plus replacing Traditional robes with the Russian military attire worn by Nicholas II with medals! (as a formal attire) or A mao suit, and even a businessman's attire.

Edited by Hoa Phau, 01 July 2007 - 02:54 AM.

I woke this morning and all seemed peaceful
Mi Charmel, Mi Charmel, Mi Charmel La Belle
I woke this morning and all seemed peaceful
But oppression still exists.

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Posted 11 October 2005 - 05:40 AM

nice one. This is wat i will do.

Feng Tian Chen ming, Hua di zhao yue, Shuo you de Ji chen Mei nu , Zai wu shi jin gong, Ru you dan wu, jiu chao jia jio zu!

translate in english : By the heavenly orders of the emperor, All pretty girls living in the capital will have to go in the palace and serve me the son of heaven. Those who disobey will have their whole familes clan excuted!! wahahaahhaahhaa

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 02:10 AM

Nice one ximen chuixue..

FOr me, i will

- FIRSTLY eliminate corruption.. corrupted officals will have death penatly

- Lower taxes to help poor. Amount of taxs paid are according to one income.. Farmer need no pay taxs because they were the one who benefit the people. They are also given special bonus and privillages

-Eliminate the use of enuchs.. too babrbaric .. replace them with maids instead.

-Introduce compulsory education especially in maths and sciences.

-MAking the military strong and modernise.. also army although take orders fron generals, emperor had highest commoand on army..

-Starting to promote internation trade as well as starting industrialisation

-citizens and officals were equal.. no more officals stepping over citizens.. laws will be reform which is equal to all

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 09:13 PM

You know the qing had the death penalty for corruption anyway and it didn't deter people like He Shen. The death penalty aint gonna stop corruption. Possibly raising the income of officials would deter corruption to a degree.

As for lowering taxes, it would be hard to implement since most officials love to 'squeeze the peasantry' and you have to get funds from somewhere. Modernisation costs a lot of cash, wouldn't be the best time to modernise and reduce taxes.

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 10:58 PM

Only one mission: find as many attractive women as possible and bring them into the F. City for a shag!
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 01:13 AM

If I were Emperor I would not marry - but have a special sweetie - that I would not marry for her protection. But we would love each other - a love of the heart.

I would were pearls of pink from the China Sea - and deep green jade. My Seal also.

I would have a sedan chair made of cloth of gold, and the courtiers would have to carry me about.

I would have a special horse - one of those tiger horses, painted on silk. Which reminds me that I would have my clothes custome made - a combination of various styles - and which allowed freedom.

I would have the best and freshest fruit brouught in from far away places - papayas, and mangos, and apricots and peaches. Every day. The men would all take their turns every day as food tasters

I would have a hot tub bath with perfumed oils and a massage ---ahhhhh! - every blessed day. And my natural feet would be oiled and massaged also. My hair would be shined with a silk cloth daily.

I'll have to think what else.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 02:34 AM

Interesting that everyone wants to end corruption and have fun along the way. It is great to let the imagination run wild once a while. I oftentime do that - I vent it in my writing - short stories just flight of fantasy kind.

Realistically speaking, most of the emperors - I say most, not all, are keen to do good, but somehow down the road, they find that they have to make choices and choices often made in the way that it would cause more grief than happiness.




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