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#16 Andy Lau

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 08:07 PM

Besides Cantonese dialect,no other Chinese languages sound any bit close to Vietnamese. :rolleyes:


Actually, it's the Non Pure cantonese people - who come from Vietnam or Thailand (the Chinese Vietnamese or Chinese Thai) - who don't speak cantonese as a native dialect who makes cantonese sound like Vietnamese. When i go to chinatown, when i see these chinese vietnamese or chinese thai (very noticable) and hear them try to behave modern by talking Cantonese.. it sounds awkward. Even the Chiu Chow(Chaozhou) who speak Cantonese makes it sound abit vietnamese >.< When a pure Cantonese and a real Cantonese speaker speaks Cantonese, it should sound more distinctively Chinese and more what Middle Chinese should sound like hehe ^^

This is how a Hong Kong Cantonese speaker is supposed to sound like: , and http://www.youtube.c...feature=related (this is hong kong democracy in action lol)

There are other Southern Chinese dialects - other than Cantonese dialects, that sound vietnamese but i won't name them to insult anyone (if they feel insulted). To a Chinese speaker cantonese does not sound vietnamese.. rather another Chinese dialect, but i guess to a westerner it might. But of course Hong Kong Cantonese sounds more modern than Beijing Mandarin, as many Hong Kongers and Shanghainese refer Beijing Mandarin as a "Rural Mainland Chinese" Dialect

Edited by Andy Lau, 16 December 2007 - 09:13 PM.


#17 Andy Lau

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:39 PM

huh? you mean Vietnamese Nationals support Korean people's claim that there is no cultural & genetic ties to China? Never heard of this before..

But all i know is historically the Japanese originated from both Korea and the Wu-Yue area of South Eastern China, which later on mixed with the local Ainus.

Edited by Andy Lau, 16 December 2007 - 10:40 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2007 - 10:53 PM

oh i see... Anyways, those who make those claims are a minority of the population and are young students fooling around.

I personally think that both Korea and Japan both don't want to associate themselves with the Chinese, because of their own growing nationalism and they just make up stories. It's just sad... :no:

Edited by Andy Lau, 16 December 2007 - 10:59 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2007 - 12:12 AM

They are famous band of iner-Mongolia
额尔古纳乐队:
http://ca.youtube.co...h?v=_r5EfX4SW70
听到这首歌,我想到我的故乡,我的同胞!
when I heard this song, I miss my country and my countrymen!
More music:
http://ca.youtube.co...feature=related
http://ca.youtube.co...feature=related

Edited by 大学语文12345, 17 December 2007 - 12:16 AM.


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Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:44 AM

They are famous band of iner-Mongolia
额尔古纳乐队:
http://ca.youtube.co...h?v=_r5EfX4SW70
听到这首歌,我想到我的故乡,我的同胞!
when I heard this song, I miss my country and my countrymen!
More music:
http://ca.youtube.co...feature=related
http://ca.youtube.co...feature=related


Are you ethnic Mongol? or part Mongol origin?

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 11:53 AM

Besides Cantonese dialect,no other Chinese languages sound any bit close to Vietnamese. :rolleyes:


My point was related to not knowing either language. I guess you know one or two things about Chinese or maybe even speak the language, so no surprise Vietnamese and (most dialects of) Chinese sound completely different to you.

I could as well just have told you that Mongolian and Russian sound completely different, but instead I tried to give an interpretation why they might sound similar to some people. Sorry for not making that entirely clear.

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 04:29 AM

As a Mongolian speaker, I assure you it does not sound like Russian.....Russian I think is even harder on the ears...nor it is similar to Korean.

We do have alot of Russian words, mostly mechanical terms...

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 12:00 AM

But all i know is historically the Japanese originated from both Korea and the Wu-Yue area of South Eastern China, which later on mixed with the local Ainus.


you should try reading Japanese history again.

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 05:37 AM

Hi all,

regarding Magyars (Hungarians)there r many similarities in culture to Asia, I (of Hungarian decent) each chicken feet which mum cooks in her chicken soup. Even my young Chinese (Malaysian/Honki) friends wont eat feet LOL. Burial traditions, Music, etc, are Asiatic in style.

Our bows were similar to Mongolian style. Fighting tactics, etc.

The language is ancient & despite common belief is not borrowed from much younger languages as has been proven many times by those that have actually studied the language. Uygurs are very similar culturally to Hungarians & back in the 8th century BC (or was it AD?) Chinese ambasidor said the Ugyur empire was far superior to the Chinese of that era (no offence intended) in medicine, building, etc. I will find the link for you.

All we need to do is look at how we act today to know how people acted in the past. There was much interaction between tribes, communities, nations, etc, hence much culture would have been exchanged as well. Look at how English words creep into manylanguages through mass media. In the past the same would happen though much slower at the peasant level, faster at the elite level.

BTW, Magyar means: Mag (Seed), Yar (wander/journey), ie, the seed of mankind wanders forth, maybe in refernce to thelast great flood?
It is hypothesised by scholars that Magyars jouneyed from the E.Europe to establish Sumeria, or at least dwelt in that area as or with the Hun.
Several Eqyptian rulers names are common Hungarians names.

To illustrate: “Chambell, an English researcher, writes that in Upper Egypt, in the city of Karnak, on the wall of one of the temples, it is written in hieroglyphs, that in the empire in the reign of the Pharaoh Tutmoses III, there lived a people called the Maghars who were fighting on the side of the Hittites. The hieroglyphic text mentions the cities of Arad, Árpád and Maghara in the land of the Maghars. (Arad is also the name of a Hungarian city which was given to Rumania in 1920.)" Arpad was Hungary's 1st King. "The name Maghar is almost identical to the Sumerian name MAH-GAR and the Hungarian name Magyar. Since the signs of the Magyar runic script most closely resemble those of the Phoenician runic script and Hungarian city names appear in that region, it would indicate that the Magyars lived here at the time of the development of the runic script.”
http://www.magtudin..../Homeland 8.htm

“Dr. Nagy attempts to prove his theory by using extensive examples to show the linguistic similarities between the Sumerian, Old Magyar, and the current Magyar language. He also refers to several works written during the first millennium, including the Arpad codices and the De Administrando Imperio, and also relies on his own research of over fifty years.

One point he makes is that while there are only two hundred Magyar words related to the Finno-Ugric language, there are over two thousand words related to the Sumerian language. (Nagy, 10) “


“Runic scientist Sándor Forrai made a table that shows fifty percent similarity between the Magyar and Phoenician runic scripts and forty-four percent resemblance between the Magyar and Etruscan runic scripts. There was only a twenty-eight percent resemblance to the Old Turkic runic script. This disproves the theory that the Magyar runic script developed from the Turkish. The Glagolitic, Cyrillic or other scripts do not resemble the Magyar runic script.”

thankyou for reading this. :)

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 05:35 PM

If you listen closely, you will notice that Mongolian has a trilled 'r' like Spanish, which Korean and, AFAIK, Russian do not have. Mongolian also has a fricative /x/ that Korean doesn't have. There are also differences in the vowels. I used to think that Mongolian sounded like Korean too, but once I took a Mongolian language class and learned what the language actually sounds like and what consonants it uses, the two sound totally different. The grammar and structure of the words is totally different from Russian, which is a synthetic language. Mongolian is agglutinative like Korean and Japanese.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 12:46 AM

Magyar is also agglutinative. :)


I suspect people mixed much over many milenia, especially with trade & royal marriages.

There would have been periods of little exchange as well depending on many factors such as war, famine, disease, loss of contact, etc.

There is talk of a golden age 10-50,000 yrs ago where 4 great civilizations crossed this planet.

But since there is always a fall (eventually) after a rise these heights become lost in time...
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Posted 12 March 2010 - 12:50 AM

If you listen closely, you will notice that Mongolian has a trilled 'r' like Spanish, which Korean and, AFAIK, Russian do not have.

Spanish r is only flapped, which Korean has, though that commonly used.
Russian have the trilled r, which is like Spanish rr not r.

Mongolian also has a fricative /x/ that Korean doesn't have.

Russian has /x/ too. And not [h].

There are also differences in the vowels. I used to think that Mongolian sounded like Korean too, but once I took a Mongolian language class and learned what the language actually sounds like and what consonants it uses, the two sound totally different. The grammar and structure of the words is totally different from Russian, which is a synthetic language. Mongolian is agglutinative like Korean and Japanese.

From the first time I heard Mongolian I already felt that it doesn't sound quite like Korean.
Note that I didn't put emphasis on grammar and vocabulary.

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