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[Wú Fēi]

There indeed is a voice to claim that.

However, what is Jin Geun?

[Gubook Janggoon]

Also, any family name may give away their origins (Jin? Geun?).

What about Hae? ..surname of the royal family of Buyeo...

What is Jin and Geun though?

[caocao74]

Jin was the maternal family name and the leading family in Baekje affairs from the reign of King Geun Chogo (notable Jin being generals Jin Gua, Jin Chung, Jin Mul, jin Ka, Jin Kamo and Jin Mu, and Jin Yi and Jin Kodo (prime minister). Kim (1982) suggests these may have been the family who established the Ojin line of Emperors.

[Gubook Janggoon]

Jin was the maternal family name and the leading family in Baekje affairs from the reign of King Geun Chogo (notable Jin being generals Jin Gua, Jin Chung, Jin Mul, jin Ka, Jin Kamo and Jin Mu, and Jin Yi and Jin Kodo (prime minister).  Kim (1982) suggests these may have been the family who established the Ojin line of Emperors.

I see. That's in interesting theory.. ...Kim's sort of a broad name though...what's the author's full name?

[caocao74]

I see.  That's in interesting theory.. ...Kim's sort of a broad name though...what's the author's full name?

Oops, missed that one. Kim Sung-ho, 'Biryu-Baekje and the Origin of the Japanese state'. Interesting book.

[caocao74]

Oh, hope caocao can post the names in characters soon.

Emperors and their names in Kanji
Part One - Prior to Heianjidai

1.Emperor Jimmu (神武天皇)
2. Emperor Suizei (綏靖天皇)
3. Emperor Annei (安寧天皇)
4. Emperor Itoku (懿徳天皇)
5. Emperor Kōshō (孝昭天皇)
6. Emperor Kōan (孝安天皇)
7. Emperor Kōrei (孝霊天皇)
8. Emperor Kōgen (孝元天皇)
9. Emperor Kaika (開化天皇)
10. Emperor Sūjin (崇神天皇)
11. Emperor Suinin (垂仁天皇)
12. Emperor Keikō (景行天皇)
13. Emperor Seimu (成務天皇)
14. Emperor Chūai (仲哀天皇)
15. Emperor Ōjin (応神天皇)
16. Emperor Nintoku (仁徳天皇)
17. Emperor Richū (履中天皇)
18. Emperor Hanzei (反正天皇)
19. Emperor Ingyō (允恭天皇)
20. Emperor Ankō (安康天皇)
21. Emperor Yūryaku (雄略天皇)
22. Emperor Seinei (清寧天皇)
23. Emperor Kenzō (顕宗天皇)
24. Emperor Ninken (仁賢天皇)
25. Emperor Buretsu (武烈天皇)
26. Emperor Keitai (継体天皇).
27. Emperor Ankan (安閑天皇)
28. Emperor Senka (宜化天皇)
29. Emperor Kimmei (欽明天皇)
30. Emperor Bidatsu (敏達天皇)
31. Emperor Yōmei (用明天皇)
32. Emperor Sushun (崇峻天皇)
33. Empress Suiko (推古天皇)
34. Emperor Jomei (舒明天皇)
35. Empress Kōgyoku (皇極天皇)
36. Emperor Kōtoku (孝徳天皇)
37. EmpressSaimei (斉明天皇)
38. Emperor Tenji (天智天皇)
39. Emperor Kōbun (弘文天皇)
40. Emperor Temmu (天武天皇)
41. Empress Jitō (持統天皇)
42. Emperor Mommu (文武天皇)
43. Empress Gemmei (or Gemmyo 元明天皇)
44. Empress Genshō (元正天皇)
45. Emperor Shōmu (聖武天皇)
46. Empress Kōken (孝謙天皇)
47. Emperor Junnin (淳仁天皇)
48. Empress Shōtoku (称徳天皇)
49. Emperor Kōnin (光仁天皇)
50. Emperor Kammu (桓武天皇)

These just cover the period upto the foundation of Heiankyo. If you want the rest, let me know (if you don't already have them).

[lobster]

What really bothers me is that the early emperors have Sino-Japanese names (or reign names?) before contact with China.

[caocao74]

What really bothers me is that the early emperors have Sino-Japanese names (or reign names?) before contact with China. 

Well, you do need to remember that most of the early Emperors were historically debatable, and didn't come to be listed until the 8th Century (hence the debate on the role of Baekje, etc).

[peepee]

Just a quick question. What's the surname of the Royal Family?

They don't have a family name, because Japanese believe their emperor is the living god and descedant of Amaterasu omikami 天照大御神. The god wouldn't have a human surname.

Mikado 御門 was a former title of Japanese emperor given by the Chinese Imperial Court, because Chinese didn't allow other countries to have title of emperor.

[peepee]

Jin was the maternal family name and the leading family in Baekje affairs from the reign of King Geun Chogo (notable Jin being generals Jin Gua, Jin Chung, Jin Mul, jin Ka, Jin Kamo and Jin Mu, and Jin Yi and Jin Kodo (prime minister). Kim (1982) suggests these may have been the family who established the Ojin line of Emperors.

2 of the few foreign archaeologists expert in this field casting doubts on the theory of Korean origin for the imperial line.


* Gina Barnes of the University of Durham in Great Britain admits the possibility while citing the lack of evidence:

“There is no direct historical evidence of a (Japanese) emperor born on the Korean Peninsula. There is considerable evidence of contact with peninsular kings and elites. But given other monarchical systems in which ‘stranger kings’ may be incorporated, such as the British Hanover line, which has produced the current queen, it’s not an impossible thought that the Yamato rulership incorporated foreign allies.”


* Walter Edwards of Tenri University in Nara Prefecture downplays the Korean connection:

“Would we expect to find that the occupants of the earliest large tombs, the third-century figures who originally carved out the Yamato polity, to have been Korean aristocrats who came over and wrested power from indigenous leaders, helping raise a backward nation up to the level of early statehood? That is what is all too often implied by whisperings of ‘Korean bones’. That view I reject. The emergence of the ancient Yamato polity was an indigenous phenomenon.”

http://ampontan.word...r-korean-genes/


Japan's 桓武天皇的母 （高野新笠） 「百済王等者朕之外戚也。」

百済王族人質的歴史

蓋鹵王
池津媛
武寧王
純陀太子 在日１世　
斯我君 在日２世　
法師君 在日３世　
雄蘇利紀君 在日４世　
和史宇奈羅 在日５世　' 和氏 ' 是改名 = Yamatoized surname
和史粟勝 在日６世　
和史浄足 在日７世　
和史武助 在日８世　
和史乙継 在日９世
高野新笠 在日１０世