I got the story from a TVB serie. I was wondering if the above characters are real? I know that the story started after the fall of the Ming dynasty. The movie I saw, described "Chou Shih Hsien" as an educated man and powerfull warrior. The movie shows that he defeated the first Emperor of Qin. But previous stories, only says that he is an educated person but never described him as a warrior. Are they famous because of their love story or because of what they have done for the people?
The fate of Princess Changping 長平公主
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 03:21 AM
There are no official records (that remain) about these two people. However a book detailing the history of Ming royality first published in the early republican era stated that Jau Sai Hin was previously a guardsmen at the Capital. It also states that he was indeed arranged to marry Princess Cheung Ping. After surrendering to the Qing government Jau Sai Hin was arranged to marry the Princess somewhere in the second year of ShunZhi. Sadly the Princess died the year after in the third year of ShunZhi(1646) at the age of 17.
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Posted 26 January 2005 - 11:41 PM
Just found some material on this. According to the Ming dynastic history, Princess Changping was the daughter whose left arm the Chongzhen emperor chopped off with his sword when he was trying to kill his family before committing suicide. She was 17 years old and engaged to be married to Zhou Xian (whose name was changed to Zhou Shixian in the popular Cantonese opera "Di Nu Hua"), but the wedding was put on hold because of Li Zicheng's rebellion.
The Princess fainted but did not die. Li Zicheng's general Li Zongmin (the same guy who took Chen Yuanyuan and pissed Wu Sangui off) treated her injury, and after Li Zicheng's defeat she fell into the hands of the Manchus. The Shunzhi emperor treated her with all the respect due to a princess, and arranged for her to be married to Zhou Xian after all. The couple received plenty of land, gold and horse carriages from the Qing court, but the Princess fell ill and died only one year after her wedding. Probably she was too distressed by the destruction of her family. She was buried at the Zhangyi Gate of Beijing.
The Changping Princess' story was fictionalised in "Di Nu Hua" (with her and Zhou Shixian as tragic lovers), and in Jin Yong's novels "Bixuejian" and "Ludingji". In "Bixuejian", she was in love with the hero Yuan Chengzhi but didn't get the guy in the end. In "Ludingji", she took the tonsure and became a one-armed warrior nun.
The Princess fainted but did not die. Li Zicheng's general Li Zongmin (the same guy who took Chen Yuanyuan and pissed Wu Sangui off) treated her injury, and after Li Zicheng's defeat she fell into the hands of the Manchus. The Shunzhi emperor treated her with all the respect due to a princess, and arranged for her to be married to Zhou Xian after all. The couple received plenty of land, gold and horse carriages from the Qing court, but the Princess fell ill and died only one year after her wedding. Probably she was too distressed by the destruction of her family. She was buried at the Zhangyi Gate of Beijing.
The Changping Princess' story was fictionalised in "Di Nu Hua" (with her and Zhou Shixian as tragic lovers), and in Jin Yong's novels "Bixuejian" and "Ludingji". In "Bixuejian", she was in love with the hero Yuan Chengzhi but didn't get the guy in the end. In "Ludingji", she took the tonsure and became a one-armed warrior nun.
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Posted 14 February 2005 - 10:26 AM
One note. In most "Di Nu Hua" movies or performance, Chongzhen was portrayed as grand old man. In real life, he died when he was 32 or 33 years old. So I always found it amazing.
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Posted 14 February 2005 - 10:57 AM
You mean Yongzhen? Or is he another guy? Who was Chongzhen? I thought the new Cantonese Series of Di Nu Hua actually portrayed the characters nicely. Yongzhen was portrayed as a young man. Compared to the old versions, which made him look old and hairy..
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Posted 14 February 2005 - 11:48 PM
Chongzhen was the reign title of the last Ming emperor. Yongzheng was the reign title of the third Qing emperor. You've confused the two, Andrew.
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Posted 15 February 2005 - 03:25 AM
You mean Yongzhen? Or is he another guy? Who was Chongzhen? I thought the new Cantonese Series of Di Nu Hua actually portrayed the characters nicely. Yongzhen was portrayed as a young man. Compared to the old versions, which made him look old and hairy..
I missed the show. I bet you many viewers thought the TV station wants to put a younger guy on the main role.
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Posted 30 July 2005 - 01:46 AM
Just found some material on this. According to the Ming dynastic history, Princess Changping was the daughter whose left arm the Chongzhen emperor chopped off with his sword when he was trying to kill his family before committing suicide. She was 17 years old and engaged to be married to Zhou Xian (whose name was changed to Zhou Shixian in the popular Cantonese opera "Di Nu Hua"), but the wedding was put on hold because of Li Zicheng's rebellion.
The Princess fainted but did not die. Li Zicheng's general Li Zongmin (the same guy who took Chen Yuanyuan and pissed Wu Sangui off) treated her injury, and after Li Zicheng's defeat she fell into the hands of the Manchus. The Shunzhi emperor treated her with all the respect due to a princess, and arranged for her to be married to Zhou Xian after all. The couple received plenty of land, gold and horse carriages from the Qing court, but the Princess fell ill and died only one year after her wedding. Probably she was too distressed by the destruction of her family. She was buried at the Zhangyi Gate of Beijing.
The Changping Princess' story was fictionalised in "Di Nu Hua" (with her and Zhou Shixian as tragic lovers), and in Jin Yong's novels "Bixuejian" and "Ludingji". In "Bixuejian", she was in love with the hero Yuan Chengzhi but didn't get the guy in the end. In "Ludingji", she took the tonsure and became a one-armed warrior nun.
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Posted 30 July 2005 - 04:07 AM
I got the story from a TVB serie. I was wondering if the above characters are real? I know that the story started after the fall of the Ming dynasty. The movie I saw, described "Chou Shih Hsien" as an educated man and powerfull warrior. The movie shows that he defeated the first Emperor of Qin. But previous stories, only says that he is an educated person but never described him as a warrior. Are they famous because of their love story or because of what they have done for the people?
I am rather confused. I've seen that series myself about 1-2 years ago. but you said he defeated the first Qin emperor? which emperor are you refering to?
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Posted 30 July 2005 - 04:12 AM
You mean Yongzhen? Or is he another guy? Who was Chongzhen? I thought the new Cantonese Series of Di Nu Hua actually portrayed the characters nicely. Yongzhen was portrayed as a young man. Compared to the old versions, which made him look old and hairy..
certainly chongzhen in the series. yun is right. yongzhen was the third qing emperor. anyways, in the series, isn't the emperor (chongzhen) an old guy? the young man, the main character, is chau sai hin (zhou shi xian); not the emperor.
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Posted 30 July 2005 - 09:15 AM
certainly chongzhen in the series. yun is right. yongzhen was the third qing emperor. anyways, in the series, isn't the emperor (chongzhen) an old guy? the young man, the main character, is chau sai hin (zhou shi xian); not the emperor.
Most people confused with the name Chong Zhen and Yong Zhen. Just remember "C" for the Ming Dynasty (earlier dynasty), whereas "Y" for the Qing Dynasty (later dynasty)...
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Posted 30 July 2005 - 10:53 AM
anyways, in the series, isn't the emperor (chongzhen) an old guy? the young man, the main character, is chau sai hin (zhou shi xian); not the emperor.
Emperor chongzhen can also be considered as the main character in the series. There are two main part in this series which is one deal with love and another deal with politic. No, I don't think the series portray him as "old man". If you look at other TVB series, they all portray chongzhen as 50-60 years old man. In reality, he is only 33 years old when he hanged himself.
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Posted 31 July 2005 - 04:20 AM
Emperor chongzhen can also be considered as the main character in the series. There are two main part in this series which is one deal with love and another deal with politic. No, I don't think the series portray him as "old man". If you look at other TVB series, they all portray chongzhen as 50-60 years old man. In reality, he is only 33 years old when he hanged himself.
That's a very sad that the Emperor Chong Zen hanged himself. I feel that he should follow others escaped to the southern part of China, establishing Southern Ming Dynasty regime, and this is the time for him to show his abilities...
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 03:56 AM
He wasn't THAT good of an emperor.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:40 PM
He wasn't THAT good of an emperor.
Yeap, that's a very sad incident. If Emperor Chong Zen was reallly escaping with others, I believe the China's history has to be rewritten...
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