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[Sun Wukong]

I have seen references suggesting that the Thais claim their kings descend from Buddha's
family. Which kingdom made this claim?

What was the lineage?

I've also heard this claimed about the Thai Kings being related to the Buddha before from somewhere. But I wonder, if this is it true.

[Gubook Janggoon]

Couldn't this just be the royal family's attempt at a "Divine right of Kings" sort of thing?

[Hang Li Po]

List Chakri Dynasty ????

[Alexander39]

BTW, Anna and the King is Banned in Thailand. I've seen it outside, (both version) and must say it doesn't have the slightest facts, and is disrespectful to a people who revered their Kings. 

I don't know if i can agree whit that, the last one whit Choi yun fat. did reveal quite a few of the problems that Mongkut had to deal whit, both whit conserns to the relationships whit England & France, which were historically correct. but also the internal battles whit large parts of the nobillity.
Mongkut is a ruler any nation should be proud off, he managed to play the political game very very well against those who wantet to take control of Siam, better than most i would say, and conterary to the first movie which were a ridiculous musical . here there is an illustration of some off the more mean sides of life at the time.
I also liked the scene were Anna (Jodie Foster) gets told that the death of the kings concubine and her lover had to rest on her shoulders intierly, since she made it impossible for the king to 'go easy' on them by confronting him whit it in public whit the case, and any sign of weakness on his side would be catastrophic. so the morale is.. learn before you speak or shut up no matter how wellmeaning you might be.

[Alexander39]

Hmm? was it historically correct? I always thought that both countries became much more aggressive after King Monkut died, demanding land. King Chulalongkorn faced a whole load of hostility. Anyhow, I say the second movie wasn't better off than the first. It 'tried' to become historically accurate ie. adding historical designs, ships, uniforms etc, and taking bits of little facts and making it a whole big deal, while all this 'history' surrounds a main plot that's a fatasy. It can't be accurate. Thankyou for your morals, btw.

I was not reffering to you whit that morals story Sawa, my apologies if you thought so, it was more a general warning as i saw it and one of the reasons that i actually like the movie.
True the plot is a fantasy, but the resistance against Mongkut among parts of the nobillity was not.
By the way it was a big deal that Mongkut and Chulalongkorn could keep Siam/Thailand independent, it was not a poor country, but rich in spices, timber, gold, all the things that any off the colonial powers would salviatet to get their clammy hands on. that they didn't is a good indications off the political acumen and intelligence of the royal house and their excellent leadership in general, not only had they to keep the outside powers in check, but also molify and or crush internal resistance so they wouldn't 'invite' foreign powers on their own behalf.

Together whit the Meiji emperor i see Mongkut & Chulalongkorn as the best leaders overall in asia in their time.

[Alexander39]

Hey, I didn't want to sound hostile, no offense! 

Your point about the nobility is correct, but that was more or less within the begining of the reign.. now in the King and I, Prince Chulalongkorn is already born (and grown enough for an education), and the court at that time was unified.

If I remember right, a noble or someone was supposed to rebel? It doesn't sound right because it was a pretty stable reign. King Mongkut went to war for about two times, I've double checked my sources. The last time was when Prince Chulalongkorn was one years old..

Well, King Mongkut kept those colonial powers at bay with diplomacy while quickly modernizing the country... The French were just out for Vietnam by then...
King Chulalongkorn's 'tour' of Europe and taking a picture with Czar Nicholas (the two were good friends) and sending that to the French shut them up when they wanted problems...

he he when WWI was done the Thai actually beat the French in Laos and Cambodia. We strike only when we know we'll win...   otherwise we talk...(afterward we become 'allies' with Japan.. then sided with the US after the Axis' defeat... and now likely with China..)

The Noble/general in quistion did have a rather insidious idea that could have worked under other circumstances, He would force Mongkut to attack Burma which were British protectorate whit the result that Siam would be at war whit the british empire, a war Siam at the time could only lose, not least becourse the french also would attack given the oppotuinity.
The plan in the movie were overly complex and demanded that to many people could keep their mouth shut (Highly unlikely) but the idea were not that stupid, since there would have been a oppotuinity to kill off Mongkut and his children in the shadow of a losing war were the general then would step foreward as a national savior, and make peace whit the British.

Chulalongkorn visitet Denmark too, this is the reason why our royal house still today have so close connections whit thai royal house. and why it is customary that our princes (And princesses) visit Thailand at least once before they get their crown on a official visit.
Thailand didn't have much choice in being an ally of Japan in the beginning of the Pacific war, and France were not eksatly popular having taken Camboja from Siam.
But they did jump ship when it was time too as you said, and go over to the winning side

[Hang Li Po]

Siam lost kemboja (Cambodia) for france and taken Malay State in Pattani (Bangkok Treaty 1909)

[Hang Li Po]

Hmm, I thought that Pattani was already part of Siam under King Rama I. King Rama II divide the state up when rebellions occur. When the British went aggressive in the Malay Peninsular, they also took what Siam claim as its Protectorates.. so we ended up with the treaty.

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[Grand Genealogist]

KINGS OF THAILAND

The Sukhothai Period

1. Sri-inthrathit (1249…)
2. Banmuang (…1279)
3. Ramkhamhaeng the Great : (1279 - 1298)
4. Loethai (1298…)
5. Nguanamthom (.... 1347)
6. Lithai or Thammaracha I (1347 - 1368/1374)
7. Thammaracha II (1368/1374 - 1399)
8. Thammaracha III (1399 - 1419)
9. Thammaracha IV (1419 - 1438)


The Ayutthaya Period

1. Ramathibodi I (1350 - 1369)
2. Ramesuan (1369 - 1370) First ruling term
3. Borommaracha I (1370 - 1388)
4. Thonglan (1388)
5. Ramesuan (1388 - 1395) Second ruling term
6. Ramracha (1395 - 1409)
7. Intharacha (1409 - 1424)
8. Borommaracha II (1424 - 1448)
9. Borommatrailokkanat (1448 - 1488)
10. Borommaracha III (1488 - 1491)
11. Ramathibodi II (1491 - 1529)
12. Borommaracha IV (1529 - 1533)
13. Ratchadathiratkuman (1533-1534)
14. Chairacha (1534 - 1546)
15. Kaeofa (1546 - 1548)
16. Mahachakkaphat (1548 - 1568)
17. Mahinthrathirat (1568 - 1569)
18. Mahathammaracha (1569 - 1590)
19. Naresuan the Great: (1590 - 1605)
20. Ekathotsarot (1605-1610)
21. Sisaowaphak (1610-1611)
22. Songtham (1611-1628)
23. Chetthathirat (1628-1629)
24. Athittayawong (1629)
25. Prasatthong (1629 -1656)
26. Chaofa Chai (1656)
27. Sisuthammaracha (1656)
28. Narai the Great: (1656-1688)
29. Phetracha (1688 - 1703)
30. Sanphet VIII (Sua) (1703 - 1708)
31. Phumintharacha (Thaisa) (1708 - 1732)
32. Borommakot (1732 - 1758)
33. Uthumphon (1758)
34. Ekkathat (1758 - 1767)


The Thonburi Period

Tak Sin the Great: (1767 - 1782)


The Rattanakosin Period


1. Phraphutthayotfa Chulalok the Great: Rama I (1782 - 1809)
2. Phraphutthaloetla Naphalai (Rama II) (1809 - 1824)
3. Phranangklao (Rama III) (1824 - 1851)
4. Phrachomklao (Mongkut or Rama IV) (1851 - 1868)
5. Phrachunlachomklao: (Chulalongkorn the Great or Rama V) (1868 - 1910)
6. Phramongkutklao (Vajiravudh or Rama VI) (1910 - 1925)
7. Phrapokklao (Prajadhipok or Rama VII) (1925 - 1935)
8. Ananda Mahidol (Rama VIII) (1935 - 1946)
9. Bhumibol Adulyadej the Great: (Rama IX) (1946…..)

Is there somewhere where one could find the genealogies of these dynasties and kings?

Edited by Grand Genealogist, 02 October 2009 - 11:16 PM.

[mrclub]

Is there somewhere where one could find the genealogies of these dynasties and kings?

try wikipedia ?