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[Tuding Le]

Ni Hao Pengyoumen:

In January I visited Harbin.

There were many (Russian) Jews in Harbin during the early years of the Eastern Chinese Railway (1898 - 1928).

In 1928, the railway passed from Russian to Chinese control and many Jews left. By the time of the Japanese invasion, not many Jews were left. Some books say that the last Jews "left in 1963", others say "died in 1985".

I visited the Jewish cemetary in Harbin, where I saw from the stones that some Jews were still around well into the fifties.

Also, while the present cemetary is lovingly kept, many graves had been vandalized at some point, with the little enameled portraits defaced.

What I was wondering is what happened between the golden olden days and the present warm friendship between China and the world Jews?

[Karakhan]

I read on a site a while ago that there are officially 6-8 recognized Jews in China, all in a coastal city in the south (sorry it's name escapes me).

Bordering China is the Russian provice called Birobidzhan, an autonomous Jewish Oblast north of the Amur. There are some Jews still there and unlike the rest of the regions in the Russian Far East, they are rather friendly to Chinese migrants. But like the rest of the Jews in the world, they left for Israel when they had the chance.

[Koolasuchus]

Friendly relations are always present between the Jewish and Chinese people. When Japan allied with Hitler, most of the Jews of Harbin left for Shanghai, where many of the European Jews that was able to escape Hitler also ended up in. I am not sure what happened to them afterwards, but I think in Shanghai they hooked up with American Jews and left for the USA before the Japanese was able to took the city.

[TMPikachu]

I've heard that during WWII, only two countries took in Jewish refugees, USA and China. So there has to be some in China still, no?

[浪淘音]

the acceptance of jewish refugees was not official in China

China was in complete chaos at the time (especially in Shanghai) with civil war and fighting the japanese invasion. the "government" was at best defacto

plus, the KMT government was actually quite close to Nazi Germany. Germany sold weapons to the KMT and trained several divisions of the KMT army. Jiang Jieshi (chiang kai shek)'s son Jiang JieGuo even went to a German military academy and was promoted to rank of LT.

i have to dig them up but there were many pictures of him wearing full Waffen SS uniform

[tattoo]

Jiang JieGuo himself participated in the invasion of Poland.

Meanwhile, Ho Fengshan, a diplomat in Vienna before the outbreak of WW II, was honored as the Chinese Schindler. He saved thousands of Jews by issuing exit visas that he not supposed to do.


http://www.jewishsf....0225/sfho.shtml

[Moose]

Jiang JieGuo himself participated in the invasion of Poland.

Meanwhile,  Ho Fengshan, a diplomat in Vienna before the outbreak of WW II, was honored as the Chinese Schindler.  He saved thousands of Jews by issuing exit visas that he not supposed to do.
http://www.jewishsf....0225/sfho.shtml

Jiang Jie Guo participated in the invasion of Poland?Where you got that from?

[temujin77]

Jiang JieGuo himself participated in the invasion of Poland.

Wow really? Thanks for sharing that, would love to see some sources so I can learn more about that.

[tattoo]

Sorry, I am talking Chiang Wei-kuo. The other son of Chinag Kai-shek. I am still looking at where I found the information of him in germany. He did serve in a German mountain divison before China broke off with Germany. Here are some photos of Asian Nazi soldiers in WW Two.

http://www.geocities...1/WarPics6.html

[caocao74]

Here are some photos of Asian Nazi soldiers in WW Two.

Where did these units serve. The top picture claims Africa (see http://www.geocities.com/alvinlee_81/WarPics4.html), but the uniforms, the background, &c, would seem to indicate that the author of the page was incorrect.

Did they predominantly serve of the Russian Front, or were they relegated to what were effectively labour duties in France like the Indian units?

[浪淘音]

Jiang Wei Guo

[tattoo]

Where did these units serve.  The top picture claims Africa  (see http://www.geocities.com/alvinlee_81/WarPics4.html), but the uniforms, the background, &c, would seem to indicate that the author of the page was incorrect.

Did they predominantly serve of the Russian Front, or were they relegated to what were effectively labour duties in France like the Indian units?

According to Stephen Ambrose&s book on D-Day, Asian soldiers serving the Germans were capturned on the beaches of Normandy. The Americans never recorded who they were and where they came from. Photos of them survived. In case, you do not knowwho Ambrose is. He is the most well-known historian on American involvement during the WW2. He served as an advisor to Saving Private Ryan and wrote the book Band of Brothers.

[babyblue]

Jiang Wei Guo

That picture is Wang Jing Wei toasting Nazi diplomats after the establishment of the puppet Nationalist Gov't, by which time Wang has already become a collaborator of the Japanese.
Next time check your sources before you post them.

[Sephodwyrm]

Having relations with Nazi Germany does not mean that we hate Jews. Its Jews that will like you to think of it that way such that they do not need to repay the generosity we have provided for them.

Do I have to keep reminding you guys that it was a Nazi that saved the lives of thousands of Jews and another Nazi that saved even more Chinese at Nanjing?

[Grigori]

According to Stephen Ambrose&s book on D-Day, Asian soldiers serving the Germans were capturned on the beaches of Normandy.  The Americans never recorded who they were and where they came from.  Photos of them survived.  In case, you do not knowwho Ambrose is.  He is the most well-known historian on American involvement during the WW2.  He served as an advisor to Saving Private Ryan and wrote the book Band of Brothers.

If memory serves, Ambrose was referring to a group of Koreans the Japanese conscripted. These Koreans were captured by the Russians in a battle in the 30's, then recaptured by the Germans in Russia.