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[amidabuda]

hi,
surely i do not spell it right but what is a "GUAN GOR"?
i know a chinese man, who teaches my friends .. some martial arts. and he refers to one of them as a Guan Gor, or at least it sounds like that.
he doesnt know very well our language and sometimes explanes it like "someone who doesnt have anything" but asking him if he means homeless and begger, he says it is not. other times translates it as"a great errant warior" or "a humble wondering monk". in the end just smiles and says we will understand it some day. very chinese-ish like!
does anyone has an idea what it could be?

[kaiselin]

hi,
surely i do not spell it right but what is a "GUAN GOR"?
i know a chinese man, who teaches my friends .. some martial arts. and he refers to one of them as a Guan Gor, or at least it sounds like that.
he doesnt know very well our language and sometimes explanes it like "someone who doesnt have anything" but asking him if he means homeless and begger, he says it is not. other times translates it as"a great errant warior" or "a humble wondering monk". in the end just smiles and says we will understand it some day. very chinese-ish like!
does anyone has an idea what it could be?

From your spelling, of the name, it could be Guan Yu who is the god of war, wealth and protector from ghosts. But that does not seem to mesh with what this man is translating it as.

There are so many different accents it would be quite difficult for anyone to be sure by the guessing the spelling of what he is saying.

My best suggestion is to ask the man to write down the Chinese characters for the name. If you can take a picture of that and post it here, perhaps someone here will know what he means.

[amidabuda]

hi kaiselin,
thanks a lot. i did that. i called the ¨guan gor¨guy and told him to ask his master to write it down and to send me the picture of the writing. i am not there now, i live too far away from them. but he will do it and let see what it could be. quite sure it is not the ¨god of war¨. because they work together, sometime the old man calls him a "little yellow ox". dont know why yellow, but that this lad is doing all the work is more than sertain and i guess that is may be a chinese way of praising someone.. but the Guan Gor was something we couldnt figure out for ages.

[大泽升龙]

hi kaiselin,
thanks a lot. i did that. i called the ¨guan gor¨guy and told him to ask his master to write it down and to send me the picture of the writing. i am not there now, i live too far away from them. but he will do it and let see what it could be. quite sure it is not the ¨god of war¨. because they work together, sometime the old man calls him a "little yellow ox". dont know why yellow, but that this lad is doing all the work is more than sertain and i guess that is may be a chinese way of praising someone.. but the Guan Gor was something we couldnt figure out for ages.

My guess it is the erhuayin of the mandarin word 光棍儿 (Guang Gunr) which literally means a bare stick, usually refers to a bachelor.

[General_Zhaoyun]

hi,
surely i do not spell it right but what is a "GUAN GOR"?
i know a chinese man, who teaches my friends .. some martial arts. and he refers to one of them as a Guan Gor, or at least it sounds like that.
he doesnt know very well our language and sometimes explanes it like "someone who doesnt have anything" but asking him if he means homeless and begger, he says it is not. other times translates it as"a great errant warior" or "a humble wondering monk". in the end just smiles and says we will understand it some day. very chinese-ish like!
does anyone has an idea what it could be?

The proper Mandarin name should be "Guan Gong 关公" (literally "Duke of Guan"). He was none other than Guanyu 关羽 , a general during the 3 kingdoms period. He had been made into a chinese deity for prosperity, god of war, a buddhist dharma protector.


A picture of Guan Gong (Guan Yu)

[李正龍]

a buddhist dharma protector.

as Dharma Protector..
somehow Guan Gong (Guan Yu Di) can be named Satya Dharma (?? Sangharama) in Indonesian Vajrayana/Tantrayana, Mahayana, even in Maitreyanism (Mi Le Da Dao)..
but not in Theravada..

i've ever read that Guan Gong admitted to be Dharma Protector after dealing with a Chinese monk..
Guan Gong died in headless condition, and He become ghost that was seeking for His head..
until He met a monk and also seeking for his head..

the monk propose an agreement..
if the monk can find His head, Guan Gong must protect the Dharma..
and that's why Guan Gong become Dharma Protector..

furthermore, He also known as 伽藍 菩薩..
Wikipedia

Edited by 李正龍, 04 June 2008 - 03:35 AM.

[大泽升龙]

The proper Mandarin name should be "Guan Gong 关公" (literally "Duke of Guan"). He was none other than Guanyu 关羽 , a general during the 3 kingdoms period. He had been made into a chinese deity for prosperity, god of war, a buddhist dharma protector.

It is very very rare that you call someone Guan Gong as his nickname. It has never happened in my life or in my knowledge so far! The author asked something phonetically similar to Guan Gor which was definitely not Guan Gong considering the meaning she provided.

[kaiselin]

We will all have to wait until we see the characters ( and lets hope they are legible )

[大泽升龙]

We will all have to wait until we see the characters ( and lets hope they are legible )

I suspect the Gongfu master wouldn't write it down, since it isn't a very decent word in my opinion.

[kaiselin]

Like most of you here, I also think that it means Guan Gong (Guan Yu), as he was a man that was associated with martial arts. He was a warrior too. But on the other hand, if it was Guan Yu, the phrase "a humble wandering monk" would not fit in.



I am puzzled...why not? The words "Guan Yu" in Chinese is all right...probably you can elaborate on this?

大泽升龙 was referring back to his suggestion that guan gor was not Guan Yu, but a slang term for a bachelor.

My guess it is the erhuayin of the mandarin word 光棍儿 (Guang Gunr) which literally means a bare stick, usually refers to a bachelor.

[大泽升龙]

大泽升龙 was referring back to his suggestion that guan gor was not Guan Yu, but a slang term for a bachelor.

Aha, smart blondes do exist!

BTW, answer to Amidabuda's second question: the "yellow ox" in Chinese usually refers to someone who works hard and has less complaints. Nothing horny there!

I am pretty sure this Gongfu master is from northern China now since both "guang gunr" and "yellow ox" are typically from northern mandarin dialects. You know yellow oxen are rare in southern China, and southern farmers usually use water buffloes to farm in the old time.

Edited by 大泽升龙, 05 June 2008 - 11:27 AM.

[kaiselin]

Aha, smart blondes do exist!

Ha ha, fooled you! I'm not blond, My hair is all natural, and mostly grey . Sometimes in the right light it might look strawberry blond, but that's just faded red and brown that has started to grey.

BTW, answer to Amidabuda's second question: the "yellow ox" in Chinese usually refers to someone who works hard but has less complains. Nothing horny there!

Sort of thought that might be what that meant. I wonder why yellow. Is that in reference to the persons skin meaning the person is a human ox.

[大泽升龙]

Ha ha, fooled you! I'm not blond, My hair is all natural, and mostly grey . Sometimes in the right light it might look strawberry blond, but that's just faded red and brown that has started to grey.

Well, your answer just proved my assertion indeed!

Sort of thought that might be what that meant. I wonder why yellow. Is that in reference to the persons skin meaning the person is a human ox.

Because the most farm cattle in north China are yellow cattle. No, not refers to his skin colour but the word "human ox" sounds as horny as a horny cow!
Chinese men love yellow colour because of the earth, the gold and the imperiality. I am not sure whether they prefer your yellowish hair or not, I can only wish you good luck!

Edited by 大泽升龙, 05 June 2008 - 11:55 AM.

[kaiselin]

Well, your answer just proved my assertion indeed!


Because the most farm cattle in north China are yellow cattle. No, not refers to his skin colour but the word "human ox" sounds as horny as a horny cow!
Chinese men love yellow colour because of the earth, the gold and the imperiality. I am not sure whether they prefer your yellowish hair or not, I can only wish you good luck!

When I think of human ox, I don't think " horny" at all, I hear someone with a thick Russian accent saying Strong like bull. Which is what I took this yellow ox to mean... a human that is strong and a hard worker.

I'm not in the market for looking, or caring for what guys like or don't like anymore. I love my graying hair.