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[General_Zhaoyun]

In the RoTK TV series, I've seen chinese infantry soldiers or horsemen trying to block arrows fired from enemy archers using their own sword.

Just wonder how effective this defence tactic is? Do the infantry still require shield?

[Tyler]

It's uneffective to be sure that was an "effect" to liven up the TV series.

[Long Dragon]

It's uneffective to be sure that was an "effect" to liven up the TV series.

i totally agree with Liu Ce, while it is possible to do, you need extreme skill with the sword, also different bows have different poundages which means that some arrows travel faster than others, so you wouldnt be able to do it agaisnt any old archer, especially a group. shields i consdier a nesscity in a battle, well i do like ancient greece as well so i might be biased, but they are all round goodness, they can stop sword,spear and light axe attacks and stop some arrows, crossbows can punch thorugh sheilds thought

[Sephodwyrm]

Crossbows made shields pretty useless...

But I think the silk undergarments or the paddings help the Chinese soldiery survive arrows.

[TMPikachu]

survive, but it can still take you outta the fight. The obvious benefit is being able to fight another day (or if you're the soldier, not dying!). It'd also allow for more experienced soldiers and commanders to be running about.
I guess if a hail of arrows is coming at you, and you've got nothing but a sword, at the very least, one would try to deflect it, 'cause there's nothing else to do.

I would say it's an act of desperation, not to be relied on.

On silk underarmor, when did it come around? how common was it? (whole armies? or just elites/commanders in silk?)

[Wujiang]

It is theoretically possible for one to deflect arrows using swords. I would be inclinde to believe that at least some exception people are able to do it. However, I think the question isn't really about whether or not it is possible but rather how cost effective they in terms of training an entire army to do it. Simply put, the skills required to perfect the sword-against-arrow technique would require so much time that you simply won't train your entire army to do so. Especially true since a nice wooden/metal board would do the job much better. Think about it, all it takes is one slip and the error would be fatal while with a shield, you just hold it up. You might as well spend the time to train them in other things like shooting arrows.

[Moping4U]

uhhh....I think i better hide behind a shield.

[HaSY]

blocking arrows using sword is possible is kinda like a Jedi Knight blocking blaster bolts.......
using shields is the most practical way than spending too much in training to block arrows using swords.

[Long Dragon]

See i said sheilds where good lol

[Yang Zongbao]

But again, both Crossbows and Composite bows have the capability to punch through shields and armor...you'd have to make some pretty d**** thick shields of pretty d**** hard material to stop a bolt or arrow from one of these...but I think that the Chinese did make shields to stop these powerful arrows.

[ih8eurocentrix]

what i dont understand is if its so easy for crossbows to punch through armour and sheild,even european armour couldnt stop crossbow(plate?),
so why is it that Jurchen double lameller armour was able to stop crossbows,if so why didnt the chinese just shoot the jurchen horse surely that wasnt armoured with double lameller armour,,

[Yang Zongbao]

The Horses were often armored too, if I recall, such as those in the Guaizima formation.
It took hooks and Zhanmadao to bring those down I think.

[wlee15]

what i dont understand is if its so easy for crossbows to punch through armour and sheild,even european armour couldnt stop crossbow(plate?),
so why is it that Jurchen double lameller armour was able to stop crossbows,if so why didnt the chinese just shoot the jurchen horse surely that wasnt armoured with double lameller armour,,

Most European crossbows were designed for a very powerful bolt at the expense of speed of reloading. Some of them were even made out steel and required a winching mechanism to load. The early development of crossbows in China likely prevented the development of any type of heavy armor and so Chinese crossbows would be more effective in increasing the ease of use of the crossbow rather than increasing it's pentrative capability.

[Liang Jieming]

In the RoTK TV series, I've seen chinese infantry soldiers or horsemen trying to block arrows fired from enemy archers using their own sword.

Just wonder how effective this defence tactic is? Do the infantry still require shield?

There's a direct reference to a character blocking an arrow with his sword in Water Margin, so this concept was already known at least to the author during the Yuan/Ming dynasty.

[Moping4U]

Has anyone ever thought of using the bodies of your dead enemies as shields?