It's not stupid if you're looking at the diaspora. If you just arrived in the US with a bunch of other Chinese folks and you start a conversation it would be permitted for someone to say I am from China while someone says I am from Taiwan or Singapore. But the idea is to get more specific and the China answer is mostly accompanied with the name of a province and possibly the whereabouts within the province. The time when most people from China give only the answer of China is when they encounter those outside the diaspora because it would certainly be too much to expect of others to have learned all the localities in China. However such tact is not demonstrated when speaking of the European diaspora. Europeans will not say I am from Europe for the sake of convenience because everyone already knows the locales by name, France Germany Italy Spain etc. Given enough time the Chinese would not resort to such tact either. They would be comfortable in saying I am from Fujian or Guizhou and expect other people to have known it already the way they know Shanghai or Hong Kong.
I'm not sure what brought that on. China on the world stage? Isn't that speaking a little too soon? Why not use a better magnifying glass and take a look at what is inside China for its variety, then we can talk about China on the world stage.
Of course people can be Chinese that is what people in China are, Chinese. But they don't fool themselves about being the same like being from Beijing and Shanghai at the same time. The person might have traveled around and gotten to know the places but that is really different than what a person means when they say most of my family is from Shanghai and around the area or most of my family are native Sichuan folks.
So you agree, there is obvious a large Chinese identity that all Chinese consider themselves as part of the Chinese civilization and the Chinese nation, and the same cannot be said for EU. This EU financial crisis is the prefect example of that, you may integrate economically but if you don't integrate politically it is a stupid thing to do. While nations like Greece and Spain can have their own financial policy that can recklessness borrow and spend and get deeper in debt, while the nations such as Germany and France cannot do anything to control it.
The same cannot be said for China, the local province government can't do what Greece do. Boxili did something similar to his province and look what happen to him?
Again I don't know what is your agenda, why are you trying to emphasis the difference within the Chinese people, while all I am saying there, YES people from Hainan and Shanghai are different, but they all view themselves as one nation, they all see themselves as Chinese. And if you are Chinese, does not you cannot be Shanghainess etc...
The two are not mutually exclusive, the two concept are not in conflict with each other, while different people from all over China can identify their difference, but in the end, what unites them is deeper than what divides them. Chinese people in China will certainly have more awareness of differentiation of each other, but Chinese people oversee will generally have a much more strong view of their identity as Chinese first, than their province second. The same cannot be said for Europeans. A German in Mexico will have an identity of being a German first, and part of the European Union second. Also people living in France will have less tie with people living in other part of the European Union, says Poland. They will not see Poland as part of one entity as them. people in Shanghai will see people in Beijing much more closer as one people than French sees Polish people. Again, this is something that is unique for China when you compare it to EU.
Oh and no it is not too soon to see Chinese on the international stage, there are already over 50 million oversee Chinese that dose not live in side China... 50 million people is larger than some of the biggest nation on earth already, this is a very significant, and it will only expect to get larger.
Do you find there is something wrong with what I am trying to say?
Edited by stardave, 21 June 2012 - 05:18 PM.