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[jhf0551]

The hat in each dynasty is different. Before Ming dynasty, the official hat is called "Wu Sha", in Qing dynasty, it is called "Ding Dai Hua Ling". However, Tang and Ming's hats are very different. The hat picture above is Tang Xuan Zong, the two legs were flagged. If you want to learn something about the hats, you can go to Ming Tombs and Qing Tombs. Along the Sacred Roads, there are several statues. You can easily distinguish them from their appearance.

[Shu Sheng]

In many movies/dramas set in Qing dynasty, the ladies in the palace are shown as wearing some sort of flat hat with tassles coming down both sides and flower in the middle of the hat. I thought that was the common dress code in the Qing Dynasty. However, in another drama I'm currently watching (KangXi Di Guo), the courts ladies including the Empress Dowager were shown as having their hair tied up above their head (like the Han court ladies, although not as high).

Any input from anyone as to the truth of the situation??
Many thanks

[General_Zhaoyun]

Well, they should be wearing the Manchu Court Ladies' hat or at least be tying up their hair in manchu style..

Below are some pictures of the hair-style and hat.

Manchu Hat Decoration




They are known as "旗头─大拉翅" ("Qi Tou -Da La Ci" -The banner Head -Big Features Wing)

The Manchu hair-band

[Mwab]

Hello, you learned people of Chinese history

At first, I would like to admitt that my interest for China's history did actually arise from playing the game "Dynasty Warriors". (Don't hurt me, please. )
In any way, I took a liking to the character Lu Bu and was/am fascinated by the character. (I have read up on historical facts about him, on this very site actually)

The most striking thing about the character (in the game, that is) would in my opinion be his pheasant-feather-crested little hat, which is in fact the major point in this thread of mine. What exactly are those hats called? Here are a couple of pictures that I will provide you with..




Does anyone know what those kinds of hats were/are called and perhaps even know of a place where I can buy them online..? The latter isn't all too important though, I'm prepared for going custom with it.

Thankful for all comments!

[Intranetusa]

You mean like this hat right here?

[fireball]

Hello, you learned people of Chinese history

At first, I would like to admitt that my interest for China's history did actually arise from playing the game "Dynasty Warriors". (Don't hurt me, please. )
In any way, I took a liking to the character Lu Bu and was/am fascinated by the character. (I have read up on historical facts about him, on this very site actually)

The most striking thing about the character (in the game, that is) would in my opinion be his pheasant-feather-crested little hat, which is in fact the major point in this thread of mine. What exactly are those hats called? Here are a couple of pictures that I will provide you with..




Does anyone know what those kinds of hats were/are called and perhaps even know of a place where I can buy them online..? The latter isn't all too important though, I'm prepared for going custom with it.

Thankful for all comments!

It's called guan(1) 冠. The guan may not be the kind shown in your pictures. They can be bigger. I think these type of guan are generally for nobilities. The kind you shown is also my favorite Chinese hat for men.

In ancient time, Chinese men had an adulthood ritual: at age of 20, they would have a formal ceremony and put on the 冠. It's called the ritual of guan(4) 冠禮. For emperors, kings, and lords, the age for the ritual of guan could be as young as 12 because of their responsibilities.

《仪礼.士冠礼》贾公彦疏：“诸侯十二而冠也。若天子，亦与诸侯同，十二而冠..." => translated as:

Yi Li (Ancient records of rituals of Zhou dynasty), the chapter on the ritual of nobilities, Jia Gong Yan explained, "Lords would have the ritual of guan at age of 12. If the person is the emperor, he could be the same as the Lords and have the ritual of guan at age of 12..."

[Mwab]

Alright, thank you for your replies! Not only have I found the name for the "mystery hat", I also got away with a bit of Chinese Historical education!

Thanks for your time.

[luhai167]

Just as a addition guan is usually reserved for nobility (Shi/士), commoner uses a piece of cloth instead. Though this distinction is blurred in later years.

Edited by luhai167, 05 November 2007 - 12:58 AM.

[atmaholy]

Does anyone have a good site about traditionnal women's head dresses?

I have seen some brides wearing such with the traditionnal wedding clothing.

Since i have began gathering stuff to make a successful, historically precise, live chinese historical recreation during an event, i am opened to suggestions as to what would be adequate to wear for different occasions.

I am attending some party in march, i would like to make a very fancy Hanfu and i'm looking for a headpiece to fit with it.

Thank you.

[General_Zhaoyun]

Sorry.. what do you mean by 'head dress'? Do you mean hair style or headgear/hats?

As far as I know, when chinese woman are dressed in hanfu, they would have some form of elaborate hair style/dressing/make-over. They would not be wearing any form of headgears/hats, unless they belonged to the Imperial family.

[polar_zen]

Maybe she means this (technically it's Manchurian, but it is also Chinese because the Manchu started Qing dynasty)...

[General_Zhaoyun]

Even the normal woman did not wear any headgears during Qing dynasty. Only those who were working in the palace wore Manchu headgears.

[atmaholy]

Sorry, my english is a bit crappy..

What i meant by head dress is this :

http://farm1.static....55ac162f9_o.jpg

I know this kind of headgear is worn during new year celebrations, although is there any historical recording that it was worn in other types of celebreations?

The character i an playing will need to be colorful although historically accurate : I will attend a medieval-renaissance larp festival where other cultures are welcomed to make a new start. There are some japanese there already and i want to make chinese since i really enjoy the culture and litterature.
I browsed the forum a few times before, i have found the images for my armor which is being crafted right now, unfortunetly i lack more pictures or textbooks explaining what would be adequate to wear in jewelry and i am also interested in finding out what type of boots they wore with the armor.

I have the Romance of the Three kingdoms tv series from the 1980 (that is my primary reference material), although i wish to incorporate more of different dynasties to my character.

[fireball]

That is actually the "Phoenix hat" 鳳冠 (feng4 guan1) for Han Chinese brides, and not for the New Year or other holidays.

http://www.jyly916.com/xqyp.asp (Chinese) - This is a shop that provides Chinese wedding stuff.
http://baike.baidu.com/view/339442.htm (Chinese) - This is the actual Queen's hat for Ming dynasty Queens from their tombs.

Usually, Chinese women wore very elaborate or not so elaborate hair styles with a lot of beautiful jewries and flowers, etc. Please check the hair styles of the movie "the Curse of the Golden Flower". The hair styles and dresses are very close to Tang dynasty court hair styles and dresses (IMO, or fairly close to Han Chinese styles for the hair in general, and only Tang dynasty dress like that), and you could go from there.

[atmaholy]

I have look everywhere, trying to find the name and the explanation for making the Guan Yu type of headband. Does anyone have a ressource for that kind of item?

Thanks