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[DearCoolZ]

Lee Youngae has green eyes. If you insist Chinese majority have green eyes, then...

Here are pics of Lee Youngae



Lee Youngae


Doesn't look Chinese to me.

***. lee young ae does not have green eyes.








those are not green eyes. they are brown.

No, she told the media her eye color was natural. Same goes for Go Ara, who also has green eyes. Stop making assumptions just to twist the argument your way.

no,she did not. find me that news article.

[DearCoolZ]

If you look on page 3 I already posted a lot of evidence from other sources. It links Koreans with Hmong-Miao populations and Mongolians.

Japanese are linked with Jomon from Tibet, Jiangsu Chinese and Koreans. This is all from genetic papers from 2006 and 2007.

the hmongs are clustered with se asians from genetic studies.




http://mbe.oxfordjou...l/22/3/725#FIG2


Archeological and historical studies have shown that proto–H-M populations were associated with the Neolithic cultures that were found in the Middle Reach of the Yangtze River, i.e., Daxi Culture (5,300–6,400 years before present [YBP]) and Qujialing Culture (4,600–5,000 YBP), and the San-Miao tribes in Central-southern China



Some 40% of haplogroup C H-M samples have the motif 16189–16298–16327, which will be referred to as C5. It is almost completely absent in the northern East Asian populations and seems to be the major branch of haplogroup C in the southern East Asians such as Dai, Zhuang, and Lahu (Yao et al. 2002b; Yao and Zhang 2002).


More than half (54%) of F mtDNAs belong to the F1a lineage, which is the predominant F type in H-M and other southern East Asians (Kivisild et al. 2002).



R9c, a newly defined haplogroup in this study, is observed only in 4 H-M samples. This rare haplogroup is found only in southern China and Southeast Asia. By including an additional 11 R9c samples (Oota et al. 2002; Yao et al. 2002a; Tajima et al. 2003; B.W, unpublished data), the age of R9c is estimated as 29,600 ± 16,300 YBP, appearing to be a deep lineage distributed in southern East Asia. Other R9 lineages, F1b, F1c, F2a, and F3 are seen in some populations with low frequencies.






In contrast, it is absent or occurs as singletons in the other H-M populations. Haplogroup A6, which was observed in the Northern Han, Japanese, and Korean populations, occurs in some H-M populations as singletons. N9 consists of Y and N9a. Only one sample in the MHN belongs to Y, and N9a occurs in some populations with low frequency.








Population Cluster as Revealed by PCA



Figure 2 presents the PCA results conducted in H-M and other East Asian populations. Northern East Asians (NEA) and southern East Asians (SEA) are clearly separated by PC2 (accounting for 12.2% of the total variation), and the H-M populations fall entirely into the southern group.



In figure 3, NEAs (Altai, Northern Han, and Northern T- and SEAs (A-A, Daic) are largely divided into two different clusters, and almost all H-M populations grouped with the SEA cluster. All the A-A populations formed one single branch, departing from H-Ms and Daics. It was noted that MHN lies between NEAs and SEAs, being closer to SEA populations than to NEAs.

The difference between NEAs and H-Ms is nearly fivefold higher than that between H-Ms and SEAs, suggesting that H-Ms bear much closer affinity with SEAs than with NEAs.

The lineages that are prevalent in the SEA represent the majority (63%) of the mtDNA gene pool in the H-M populations, ranging from 45% (MHN) to 90% (YDB). If we remove the "uncertain" lineages, 70% H-M mtDNAs belong to the southern lineages ranging from 49% (MHN) to 100% (YDB).











The northern lineage in hmong is only about 27%:

The haplogroups prevalent in the NEA account for only 27% of the H-M mtDNAs, ranging from 0% to 47%.


When haplogroup D is removed from the analysis, the frequency of northern lineages in H-M decreases from 27% to 14%, ranging from 0% to 27%.





This observation, together with the close affinities with SEAs revealed by average FST, phylogenetic tree analysis, and PCA, suggests southern origins of H-M populations.

In summary, we demonstrated that southern lineages account for the majority of the H-M mtDNA gene pool, a finding consistent with the southern origins of the H-M populations. The higher ratio of northern lineages observed in the Miao people suggests that they had more contacts with the northern East Asians. Our systematic study of H-M mtDNA diversity provides genetic evidence for the origin and migration of the H-M populations and the data for further investigation of the genetic structure of East Asians.

[peepee]

many Japanese, Korean, Chinese have over lap with each other and could pass as each other. There's a few who have a distinct look, but there are many who don't.


post some factual evidence (DNA charts, academic journals, etc).

The fact is,most Japanese Chinese Koreans are ' unrelated ' with possibly 25-30% shared genes.

Here is the Japanese DNA mapping ( click link for full size image ) proves Siberia & Japonic islands have CLOSEST ' gene markers ' ,specifically ' ab3st '.It should DEBUNK any myth between Japanese & Koreans.

http://www.chinahist...t=#entry4942861

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[Karakhan]

The fact is,most Japanese Chinese Koreans are ' unrelated ' with possibly 25-30% shared genes.

Here is the Japanese DNA mapping ( click link for full size image ) proves Siberia & Japonic islands have CLOSEST ' gene markers ' ,specifically ' ab3st '.It should DEBUNK any myth between Japanese & Koreans.

http://www.chinahist...t=#entry4942861

Predictable.
using the same map (and its quite clear you don't even understand the map as it maps gamma globulin markers, not haplotypes) its clear you don't know what you're arguing about.
you desperately point out ab3st which is at similar levels between the Japanese sample group and minorities in Russia, despite that you clearly ignored the most obvious, that big black chunk of the pie chart that makes up nearly half of the chart, and is something in common between the Japanese, Northern Chinese, Koreans and some of the Russian minorities and nearly the same levels of afb1b3.

but since you are posting this map a 2nd time as your evidence, does this mean you also agree southern Chinese, southern chinese minorities and the Vietnamese (as well as other SE Asians) share strong genetic similarities with each other, especially with that large afb1b3?

[akhissar]

The fact is,most Japanese Chinese Koreans are ' unrelated ' with possibly 25-30% shared genes.

Here is the Japanese DNA mapping ( click link for full size image ) proves Siberia & Japonic islands have CLOSEST ' gene markers ' ,specifically ' ab3st '.It should DEBUNK any myth between Japanese & Koreans.

http://www.chinahist...t=#entry4942861

That's only for one gene that determines blood type. Says nothing about common ancestry or y-dna or mtdna markers, which is the most important factor distinguishing a population to another.

[peepee]

Predictable.

using the same map (and its quite clear you don't even understand the map as it maps gamma globulin markers, not haplotypes) its clear you don't know what you're arguing about.

Predictable too ... no non-Chinese would doubt or dispute any DNA maps show dubious infomations posted by any S Koreans here until I ' recycled ' it.

Go ask SNK 1408 ... duh

[LongMa]

many Japanese, Korean, Chinese have over lap with each other and could pass as each other. There's a few who have a distinct look, but there are many who don't.
its rather pointless trying to post pictures of certain celebrities and then stating that you think they look like another ethnicity. this could go on forever.
post some factual evidence (DNA charts, academic journals, etc), not subjective ones (pictures of actresses, soccer teams, your own personal opinion).

I agree 100%.

I was hoping that people would be mature and rational and drop the nationalist posturing, but obviously not.

(sigh).

Being that I'm not East Asian, I have no "dog in this fight" I don't give a d**** who looks like what and who is related to who...I just want the truth whatever it is. I see some people can't deal with the cognitive dissonance that rational analysis would bring.

[Chen06]

rational analysis sounds good to me, personally I think Chinese,Koreans, and Japanese all look rather similar. Its really rather hard to discern. I often get asked if im Japanese,Korean,etc.. by other Asians so it goes to show that even fellow Asians often cant tell Koreans,Chinese, and Japanese apart.

[peepee]

Japanese faces are rather small and petite, whereas central Asians have long and wide faces.Physical distinctiveness of Korean appearance in terms of height, stocky build etc.broad shoulder, relatively large boned horizontally build etc.Koreans are more related to Khalka Mongols,30% of Koreans also have the Han Y chromosome.

The truth of the matter is Japanese and Koreans aren't ( never were ) as closely related as a few remaining die-hard netizens keep insisting.Blame it on amateur theorist Jared Diamond's ignorance of NE Asia peoples for his article 'Japanese Roots ' ( not even a book ) inadvertently ignited the J & K blood obsession frenzy in cyberspace and recent fad of Korea-Japanese connection fever since 2005.It all started out with some ignorant people stated Japanese are basically Korean people and Yamato Royal House was Koreanic origin.Much thanks to more and more credible sources accessible online concretely refuted and successfully ' debunked ' those outright ludricrous myths.

Edited by peepee, 05 October 2008 - 04:23 PM.

[akhissar]

Japanese faces are rather small and petite, whereas central Asians have long and wide faces.Physical distinctiveness of Korean appearance in terms of height, stocky build etc.broad shoulder, relatively large boned horizontally build etc.Koreans are more related to Khalka Mongols,30% of Koreans also have the Han Y chromosome.

The truth of the matter is Japanese and Koreans aren't ( never were ) as closely related as a few remaining die-hard netizens keep insisting.Blame it on amtateur theorist Jared Diamond's ignorance of NE Asia peoples ( his article 'Japanese Roots ' inadvertently ignited the J & K blood obsession frenzy in cyberspace ) and latest fad of Korea-Japanese connection fever since 2005.It all started out with some ignorant people stated Japanese are basically Korean people and Yamato Royal House was Koreanic origin.Much thanks to more and more credible sources accessible online concretely refuted and successfully ' debunked ' those outright ludricrous myths.

No, Koreans are the least related to Han Chinese in terms of Y chromosomes, out of all East Asians. Most of Korea's haplogroup O3 are NOT related to Han Chinese, but rather Hmong-Miao.

It's Japanese who are more related to Han Chinese in terms of Y chromosomes. Nearly all of Japan's haplogroup O3 are O3a5 (O3e and O3e1), which means a Chinese origin.

Japanese are more related to southern Han Chinese. That's why Koreans and Japanese look so different. Koreans have a taller, stockier, bigger cheekbone look, while Japanese have a shorter and darker look (i.e. southern Han Chinese).

Edited by akhissar, 05 October 2008 - 06:27 AM.

[akhissar]

Look at this study in 2007
http://www.genetics....172/4/2431/TBL1

Japanese
Haplogroup O3 (total)- 11/47 = 23.5%
Haplogroup O3a5 (O3e and O3e1) = 10/47= 22%

You can see all (except for one) Japanese haplogroup O3 is the Sino-Tibetan/Han Chinese specific O3a5 marker.

O3a5 is also found in Mongolians, Koreans and in Tungusics, but at lower frequencies than Japanese.

Japanese have a higher frequency of haplogroup O3a5, and you can't deny this claim.

Korean haplogroup O3 comes from other sources. One of them is Hmong-Mien populations (O-LINE1).

[gogop]

okok, we get your point akhissar , Japanese are more related to Han Chinese and your links to genetic analysis proves this. Anyway, Koreans have O-LINE1, linking them with the Hmong.

This is about Korean-Japanese relationship. Please keep on topic.

Edited by gogop, 05 October 2008 - 08:18 AM.

[gogop]

Comparing popular girls groups in Korea and Japan

Korean


Japanese


Japanese look so much more similar to Chinese. It's just too obvious.

Korean do have a unique look.

Japanese may look Chinese (especially SOUTHERN Han Chinese) but some look unique. The only reason why Japanese look Chinese is because they're mixed with Han Chinese from Jiangsu and other people from southestern Chinese provinces.

I think the Korean popular girl group looks better than the Japanese one.

How about some more photos

Current presidents:
Korean


Japanese


Compared: Korean looks typically Korean. Japanese one looks southern Chinese.

North Koreans
Army





Kim Jong il's family... can't believe he has so many wives... shocking.

Looks typically Korean. Some of them look Japanese.

Edited by gogop, 05 October 2008 - 09:00 AM.

[gogop]

Japanese geneticist's DNA info:

source: http://www.kumanolif...istory/dna.html


There's definitely a relationship between Korean and Japanese.

Edited by gogop, 05 October 2008 - 09:29 AM.

[gogop]

The overwhelming majority of haplogroup O3-M122 Y-chromosomes found among the Japanese, where they total about 15% to 20% of the samples, also belong to the subclade O3a5-M134, which is similar to the Sino-Tibetan populations. Most haplogroup O3 Y-chromosomes among Austronesians (including Filipinos) do not belong to the subclade (or "branch haplogroup") O3a5-M134, but rather to the "parent haplogroup," O3-M122*.