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[DearCoolZ]

here is the average northern chinese face i made



here are the people i used:

4 of them are from the chinese national football team and one is an tv show host




i add 3 more people( including me)












different variations

Edited by DearCoolZ, 06 October 2008 - 09:08 PM.

[DearCoolZ]

[DearCoolZ]

average of variations

[LongMa]

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Edited by LongMa, 06 October 2008 - 09:39 PM.

[LongMa]

I will do a Mongolian male and female tomorrow evening...too much work to do today.

I think I will also post the pictures I used, that is a good idea.

[DearCoolZ]

i added a famous comedian: chen peisi from beijing and a famous director jia zhangke from shanxi

[Chanpuru]

I see. I just did a quick little test so I was only able to use about 5 different faces per average face. The delineating for each face takes a bit of time.

"Hard to divide Chinese into regions if you don't know specifically their families origins."

I agree. There has been alot of migration in China so alot of the time you will find many non Southern Chinese in South China and vice versa. Of course, you could also use people of Han-Chinese descent from Hong Kong,Singapore,Taiwan,Malaysia,etc.

A note about the faces - I thought your average Korean face looked very "average" Korean. The Southern Chinese had a strong sense of Lee Deng Hui with Jackie's nose as I mentioned earlier , the Northern Chinese face looked a bit similar to the Korean face(I notice that Koreans and Northern Chinese often look similar), while the Japanese face looks pretty Japanese for sure. I do sense a bit of of Ken Watanabe.

"----------One comment about your pictures. The kids were cute, especially the first Han kid. One thing my wife and I noticed was that kids and old people tend to look pretty similar."

kids and old people look similar? Sorry, could you rephrase that. I wasnt quite sure what you meant. What did your wife and you think of the kid's faces? I thought the Korea faces turned out all rather typical Korean. I dont think I would mistake them for Chinese/Japanese. The Japanese faces turned out all rather similar. The Chinese faces had the most variation, probably due to the Chinese having the most genetic variation within their race. The Korean faces had some variation as well while the Japanese kids faces no matter how I messed around with the different Japanese faces came out look pretty much like what you see in those pics I posted. Actually, there were a few more different Chinese faces that varied quite a bit from the 3 I posted but I didnt post them because the site doesnt allow you to post that many pics in one post. I had a few more for the Japanese and Korean kids faces as well but they didnt really vary quite as much as the Han faces. Japanese and Koreans are rather homogenous(more so then the Han Chinese) so you will often get Chinese that look really Japanese, really Korean, or unique. Of course, there is ALOT of overlap between Japanese, Chinese, and Korean faces. Heck, most East Asians cant even tell eachother apart alot of the time. for example, when I went to Japan the Japanese people there thought I was Japanese so they spoke to me in Japanese. When I was in HK, people thought I was HongKongnese. In the Korean market(as well as my friends Korean church) the Koreans thought I was Korean. I think someone posted a little DNA Genetic chart on this forum from Japanese sources that showed that Japanese had a 24.2 percent similarity with Korean DNA and a 25.8 percent similarity with Han Chinese DNA while having only a 4.8 percent uniquely Japanese genetic sequence. I also saw this chart on a program on NHK TV that said that Koreans had some around 30 to 40 percent uniquely Korean DNA while Chinese had around 60 percent which would somewhat explain the variation in the Han Chinese kids faces. Im no expert on DNA and the chart itself is in Japanese so I could be completely misinterpreting it maybe someone who knows Japanese could interepret it better. Anyway, here is the chart I was referring to



someone else posted it on the forum earlier. They said this was the source

Japanese geneticist's DNA info:

source: http://www.kumanolif...istory/dna.html

And here are the one more set of faces. As you can see, the Japanese face doesnt vary much from the past pictures while the Korean face doesnt vary much either. The Han face varies the most I believe. I got more variation within the Han faces so I will post all those. The rest of the Korean and Japanese faces looked pretty much like the ones I already posted above so I wont bother posting them. I would have done using only Southern Han or Northern Han but as you said earlier, its pretty hard to determine their origin.

Here is the Japanese face



Chinese face









Korean face

in regards to that DNA graph, it is wrong to translate it as "Korean type, etc type". A better translation of it would be "common type in Korea"
In this forum, alot of people use that graph, but a slight mis translation totally changes the meaning.

also the face demo program, I don't know about you guys but it seems that whatever pic you use as the first image, heavily influences the rest of the pics. For you guys using it, try using the same pics, but change the order. The face will look very different.

[Chen06]

Yeah, I am not sure who translated the graph from Japanese but I had a feeling the translation wasnt completely correct. But, yeah... I was mainly referring to how I seemed to get more variation within the Han Chinese children's faces while I got less variation with Japanese faces and Korean faces.

Edited by Chen06, 07 October 2008 - 03:21 AM.

[DearCoolZ]

also the face demo program, I don't know about you guys but it seems that whatever pic you use as the first image, heavily influences the rest of the pics. For you guys using it, try using the same pics, but change the order. The face will look very different.

i tried using different orders,same result

[Yang Zongbao]

Wow DearCoolZ, you really like the look of your own face.

[peepee]

here is the average northern chinese face i made

4 of them are from the chinese national football team and one is an tv show host

The soccer player in the 5th photo ( tag#110594 ) looks typical northern Han-Chinese,he can pass as ' Korean ' not Japanese.

[LongMa]

The soccer player in the 5th photo ( tag#110594 ) looks typical northern Han-Chinese,he can pass as ' Korean ' not Japanese.

Yeah I would agree with that.



ALL:

Do any of you know good sites to get pictures of Mongolian people? It is very hard to find good pictures on the net...

[ykstr]

The soccer player in the 5th photo ( tag#110594 ) looks typical northern Han-Chinese,he can pass as ' Korean ' not Japanese.

You're correct. The 5th person can pass as Korean. However, I don't think that kind of phenotype is really that common in northern China.

[Andy Lau]

i think there are crushes here LOL

From what i know, most koreans are probably a mixture of Coastal South-Eastern Chinese (around present day Zhejiang and Shanghai) and Altaic groups from somewhere around North Korea/Manchuria. The reason is because of the korean method of cultivating rice, originates from Southern China. This same group of people, some of them later went to Japan and brought tattoo culture - same method both used by the Yue of Zhejiang and the Japanese people.

Japanese people are for sure a mixture of South-Eastern Chinese, Korean, the aboriginals and the polynesians. The following groups were influencial to current Japanese culture: Chinese -> agriculture, loan words and religion, Koreans -> grammar, Aboriginals and polynesians -> culture [not too sure about this one].

Edited by Andy Lau, 14 October 2008 - 02:20 PM.

[peepee]

From what i know, most koreans are probably a mixture of Coastal South-Eastern Chinese ( around present day Zhejiang and Shanghai ) and Altaic groups from somewhere around North Korea/Manchuria. The reason is because of the korean method of cultivating rice, originates from Southern China.

I think you refer to coastal Chinese region of Shandong peninsula,right ??