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[SNK_1408]

There is many studies made by Korean geneticists and scientists to find out various Korean origins.
Final conclusion made was Koreans are made of 70% NE Asian origins and 30% SE Asian origins.
(Source: http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/science/kistiscience/95532.html)

With 30% SE Asian origins; people tends to have larger eyes and tan skin complex with thiner build.
These 70% Northerners were taller and tends to have smaller eyes.



1 - Southern look - originated from China/SE Asia, bigger eye with longer eye lash, populated in Southern coaster areas, Kyongnam & Jeonnam province.

2 - Northern look type 1 (Altaic) - Originated from central asia approx. 2500 ys ago. fair skin with taller complex. Longer Middle facial, commonly found Goguryeo paintings.


Unknown North Korean female soldier

3 - Northern look type 2 (Tungus) - Most common Northern look in Korea, no double eye lid, nose & mouth is smaller, typical East Asian look.

4 - Middle Korean (mixed origins with North/South type) - Common unified Silla look, similar to Tungus Northern look with Southern origin mix.

Changing Korean faces (Past & Now)



far left - 100 years ago
middle - modern
far right - future

[mongobanjum]

I agree northern Koreans look quite different from southern Koreans. But it could be due to climate and diet. I think northern Koreans look very Tungusic.

Here are some North Koreans (2007)







Also the eastern portion of northern Korea had many Jurchen tribes living there. Northeast Korea was the birthplace of the Aisin Gioro.

Edited by mongobanjum, 03 December 2008 - 08:56 AM.

[MockTurtle]

I agree northern Koreans look quite different from southern Koreans. But it could be due to climate and diet. I think northern Koreans look very Tungusic.

Here are some North Koreans (2007)







Also the eastern portion of northern Korea had many Jurchen tribes living there. Northeast Korea was the birthplace of the Aisin Gioro.

You sure those pictures weren't elongated?

[mongobanjum]

You sure those pictures weren't elongated?

No. Why would N.Korea elongate the pics? They are students from the IMO 2007 in Vietnam.

Here is the source:

http://www.imo2007.e...ule=participant

Edited by mongobanjum, 03 December 2008 - 07:21 PM.

[Karakhan]

No. Why would N.Korea elongate the pics? They are students from the IMO 2007 in Vietnam.

Here is the source:

http://www.imo2007.e...ule=participant

The pictures are clearly elongated. Many of the other country photos (most but not all) have elongated photos.
Whoever edited them did a poor job in maintaining the aspect ratio.

From the same site..

[SNK_1408]

I agree northern Koreans look quite different from southern Koreans. But it could be due to climate and diet. I think northern Koreans look very Tungusic.

Most Koreans are Tungusic, which is probably the largest portion of all Korean population.
But posting current North Korean photo as evidence is not correct because of most North Koreans suffer insufficient balanced diet. Diets and lifestyle can change the physical appearance of the person, including bone development and psychology.

You could have identical twin; one with healthier diet and lifestyle will appear more better than one with poor diet & lifestyle.

Also, many North Koreans are also Southern Koreans too, as I pointed out before, approx 70% of all Koreans have Northerner looks and rest Southerner looks. But again, many of them are mixed variety of both North & South gene pools.

From my first exhibit; No.3 Tungus look and No.4 Middle Korean look are the most common types of modern Korean faces.

Edited by SNK_1408, 03 December 2008 - 09:47 PM.

[SNK_1408]

She doesn't look Chinese at all,and far from SE Asian.She looks very korean. I've seen a lot of korean women that looks just like her in real life and in korean dramas.

This Southern look did not originate from China as that most of the ancient Chinese that fleed to Korea was from northern China, and the northern CHinese women didn't have this type of look.

The ancient Chinese women are fair skin, with long small eyes, and long face. as you can see in these ancient chinese paintings.

Good question, these women from ancient Chinese painting clearly shows Northern Chinese looks, which isn't representation of much larger portion of Chinese women.

Well, firstly the exhibit photo I posted are all Korean women, so they will look very Korean and this look is very popular in Korean entertainment industry today. Secondly, it's again mixed origin so you will see more northern style as to Southern appearance on her face.

The Northern Chinese stock were already mixed stock, it wasn't pure. I am sure there were many Northern Chinese came to Korean peninsula which represent bulk of Northern looks in Korea, however there was another group came out of mainland China with Southern gene. There are other SE Asian origins that came out of Thai/Vietnam region but this group is very rare among modern Korean population.

Btw, my original exhibit photo is not my photo, it's from the Korean book. The book wrote the Southern look came from China. To most Koreans, Chinese are grouped with SE Asian group, don't ask me why, but thats how most Koreans scholars suggest.


Kim Yu-na, Miki Ando, and Mao Asada


Mao & Yuna

These two photos are Kim Yuna (famous S Korean skater) with Japanese skaters.
Now guess which group does Yuna fits into Northern/Southern looks?

She's probably fits into Middle Korean looks.

Edited by SNK_1408, 03 December 2008 - 10:29 PM.

[SNK_1408]

China is simply too big,there isn't just one type of looks,there are prolly over 100 types of look.

The origin og chinese was from norther west china,ofcause they shows northern look.

A lot of korean women nowdays get surgerys just ot have that type of look.

Ofcause the chinese were mixed. No country in this world is pure,everybodys mixed.

Thats very ood,consider that the cradle of chinese civilization was from northern china,far from se asia. Not to mention Chinese are grouped with east asians in every academic paper or books.

I would like to know how did those korean scholars derived this from?

Yes, China is very big; so you will have much more varieties of people, most Southern looks in Korean peninsula are result of migration from east coaster regions of China, not from Vietnam/Thailand regions. If you look at the map of Korean peninsula, center of China is located more South than Korean peninsula, so Southern look in Korean peninsula doesn't mean they were originated from SE Asian region.

These women on the exhibit photo are not result of surgery, they just simply picked more attractive women.
Mind you even with high demand of cosmetic surgery in South Korea (not North), basic facial structure remains unless you are taking extreme plastic surgery.

Japanese and Taiwanese spent more than double of South Koreans on plastic surgery in terms of per capita. Since you did bring this up.
http://www.nationmas...gery-procedures

As I wrote before, these came out of China to Korea aren't just Northern race, many were also originated from SE China.

Even with cradle of civilization originated from the Northern China, due to agricultural boom & warmer climate in the southern regions, there are more Southerners in terms of population in China.

As I mentioned before, to Korean geneticists and scientists, they usually regard Chinese people as SE Asian group that doesn't mean all Chinese are SE Asian origins and don't ask me why? because I don't know the answer to that. This Korean book also suggested Japanese are also show more Southern looks than Northern looks. So, I'm thinking Southern looks doesn't mean SE Asian look.

Please stay on the topic, we discussing about Southern/Northern looks of Korean not Chinese or other people.
If you got question about why Koreans scholars group Chinese as SE Asian group then ask them the question, not me.

Edited by SNK_1408, 03 December 2008 - 11:01 PM.

[Yang Zongbao]

Ignore him. That's DearCoolz.

[SNK_1408]

Here is chart of Northerners and Southerners in Korean peninsula.


Source: http://article.joins...otal_id=2862004

The white dotted circle represent - Northern looks
The one with gray circle represent - Southern looks

See how both Northern and southern looks spread through out the peninsula.

The old man, middle aged man and grand son are all from Go family of last survival of Go clan originated from Jangsoo King of Goguryeo line. Old man name is Go Jigeom, their faces matches the face of the one of the old Goguryeo tomb painting.

Edited by SNK_1408, 03 December 2008 - 11:58 PM.

[Moonstone]

Thanks for posting the photos, SNK_1408.

Just my humble opinion on the Korean exhibit photos...

(1) Looks stereotypically Chinese
(2) Looks stereotypically Manchu
(3) Looks stereotypically Korean
(4) Looks vaguely Korean, but also sort of Chinese-y or Japanese-y

Do the researchers offer a hypothesis about the origins of the fourth look? Admixture from China or Japan overlaid on a primarily native Korean base?

Edited by Moonstone, 03 December 2008 - 11:59 PM.

[SNK_1408]

Thanks for posting the photos, SNK_1408.

Just my humble opinion on the Korean exhibit photos...

(1) Looks stereotypically Chinese
(2) Looks stereotypically Manchu
(3) Looks stereotypically Korean
(4) Looks vaguely Korean, but also sort of Chinese-y or Japanese-y

What are the researchers' hypotheses about the origins of the fourth look? Admixture from China or Japan over a primarily native Korean base?

May be.

But Isn't Manchu typically should be (3) looks, they Tungus aren't they?
The (4) looks is the typical Middle Korean result of Northern/Southern mixed. Appeared during later Unified Silla period of Korea.

The researchers hypothesis about the origin of (4) look is result of Northern-Southern mixture.
This sort of face was common during unified Silla period according to the book, or commonly known as Silla looks.

Btw, from the book; most Korean male selected (3) looks to be most attractive among these four faces.

[mongobanjum]

I think this North Korean man looks a lot like the Tungusic peoples living in Siberia.



This look isn't that common in Korea, and usually found in North Korea. South Koreans look more Japanese-y or Chinese-y or typically Korean, if you know what I mean.

And from the pictures SNK posted, (2) looks typically Korean.

Edited by mongobanjum, 04 December 2008 - 12:24 AM.

[mongobanjum]

North Koreans

(he is a billionaire currently residing in Kazakhstan, 19th richest man in the world).

Edited by mongobanjum, 04 December 2008 - 12:37 AM.

[taiji in motion]

The 4 pictures posted of Korean women, whether origin of North or South, are all attractive! haha...

But seriously, a small country in population like Korea with so small variance of latitude from north to south also have distnct look as north versus South? The 4 girls all look very smilar to me, and at first, they all look alike, strikingly koreanesques alike. Now if one compare that to a big country (in term of latitude and population) like China, it's better to compare with its provinces for right-size comparison. Maybe one can consider Korea north and south versus Shandong province north and south, or Zhejiang province north and south, the same north south difference in look exists in Shandong, and especially prominently more so in Zhejiang province.

Strangelly enough, the North South difference always exists in most countires of the world, even of the same ethnic people. For example, big mixed ethnic country as India northerner fairer than southerner, small countries like French northerner fairer than southern French, VNmese northern fairer than southerner, Italian norherner fairer than southerner, and the list goes on.

Why is this phenomenon existed in the first place, sometimes I wonder whether it's from the mind and the kind of one-sided data the people who do the research use?