what is the disadvantages of Mongols taking over China?
What would be the disadvantages
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, Jan 19 2009 09:22 AM
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 01:56 PM
Do you mean hypothetically (in the present day), or historically (in the 13th and 14th centuries)?
And by "disadvantages", do you mean disadvantages to the non-Mongol people of China, or disadvantages to the Mongols themselves?
And by "disadvantages", do you mean disadvantages to the non-Mongol people of China, or disadvantages to the Mongols themselves?
The dead have passed beyond our power to honour or dishonour them, but not beyond our ability to try and understand.
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 01:25 AM
Do you mean hypothetically (in the present day), or historically (in the 13th and 14th centuries)?
And by "disadvantages", do you mean disadvantages to the non-Mongol people of China, or disadvantages to the Mongols themselves?
uh... historically...
disadvantages of the Mongols themselves...
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 01:34 AM
Let me clarify further. Do you mean what problems the Mongols had when they were taking over China, or what problems the Mongols had after taking over China? In other words, is it disadvantages in conquest, or disadvantages in ruling?
Anyway, I am going to move this thread to the Yuan section of the forum.
Anyway, I am going to move this thread to the Yuan section of the forum.
The dead have passed beyond our power to honour or dishonour them, but not beyond our ability to try and understand.
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 02:26 AM
Let me clarify further. Do you mean what problems the Mongols had when they were taking over China, or what problems the Mongols had after taking over China? In other words, is it disadvantages in conquest, or disadvantages in ruling?
Anyway, I am going to move this thread to the Yuan section of the forum.
both..please help.. this is my project...
dis advantages of MOngols expansion and subsequent colonization of China and the establishment of Yuan ( Mongolian) Dynasty in China.
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Posted 21 January 2009 - 12:04 AM
both..please help.. this is my project...
dis advantages of MOngols expansion and subsequent colonization of China and the establishment of Yuan ( Mongolian) Dynasty in China.
anyone?
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 11:10 PM
I don't see any disadvantages to the Mongols due to their conquest of China. In fact, it only benefited them to conquer China, because they would plunder the wealth of China and sent it back to the steppe.
However, to the Non-Mongol of China, the Mongol war was a disaster because large number of city population were decimated and massacred. Large number of palaces and buildings were destroyed.
However, to the Non-Mongol of China, the Mongol war was a disaster because large number of city population were decimated and massacred. Large number of palaces and buildings were destroyed.
Edited by General_Zhaoyun, 22 January 2009 - 11:13 PM.
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Posted 23 January 2009 - 12:28 AM
Kenaikim,
Read chapters 18-21 of F.W. Mote's Imperial China 900-1800. It is the best concise narrative and analysis of the Mongol conquest and rule of China that I know of.
If this is your project topic, you must be prepared to do serious research for it, and not rely only on what you can get on CHF.
GZ, the Mongols did not simply plunder and leave. They moved their capital from Karakorum (in Mongolia) to Beijing in 1264. Mongol soldiers were given lands in China and encouraged to use slaves to farm them. But eventually many Mongols, unused to managing farms, sold their land and used up the money thus gained, and became servants or even beggars.
Read chapters 18-21 of F.W. Mote's Imperial China 900-1800. It is the best concise narrative and analysis of the Mongol conquest and rule of China that I know of.
If this is your project topic, you must be prepared to do serious research for it, and not rely only on what you can get on CHF.
In fact, it only benefited them to conquer China, because they would plunder the wealth of China and sent it back to the steppe.
GZ, the Mongols did not simply plunder and leave. They moved their capital from Karakorum (in Mongolia) to Beijing in 1264. Mongol soldiers were given lands in China and encouraged to use slaves to farm them. But eventually many Mongols, unused to managing farms, sold their land and used up the money thus gained, and became servants or even beggars.
The dead have passed beyond our power to honour or dishonour them, but not beyond our ability to try and understand.
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 03:01 AM
They greatly benefitted but at the cost of becoming sinicised into Chinese society.
First they came for the communists, I did not speak out
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for me
but there was no one left to speak out for me.
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for me
but there was no one left to speak out for me.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 01:01 AM
No.They greatly benefitted but at the cost of becoming sinicised into Chinese society.
They specifically choose to remain Mongols.
With regard to custom, language, marriage, etc etc.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 07:34 AM
Notwithstanding the Chinese tendency to portray anyone other than Chinese as barbarians, the Mongols do fit this description relative to the Song dynasty they replaced.
Apart from the brutality, slaughter, pillaging and the like, China also saw a disruption of a refined governmental system, and a collapse of prosperity and economic power.
Apart from the brutality, slaughter, pillaging and the like, China also saw a disruption of a refined governmental system, and a collapse of prosperity and economic power.
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