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#1 Karakhan

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 11:29 PM

Every now and then in the past decades, several ethnic groups apply to be labled as a different nationality, some get it (for example the Lhoba(珞巴族) split off from the Zang/Tibetan).

I used to hear of many nationalities wanting to split off from another group for varying reasons such as 1. significant cultural and linguistical differences between tribes or 2. There are cultural and linguistical similarities but historical relations between group 1 and group 2 were negative.. such as the case with the Lhoba who appear to be low caste people in ancient Tibetan society.

Unfortunately I've forgotten most and was hoping many of our educated people here can help list some.

Off the top of my head, there is the Mosuo.

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Officially the Mosuo is classified as Naxi (納西族)
However there are some significant differences.. the Mosuo are matriarchal while the Naxi are patriarchal like most of China (and the world). Their languages are in the same family but definitely not intelligible with each other at all. The Mosuo have applied to be a seperate nationality but I am not sure what the government's response was, but I'm assuming they turned it down. The Naxi on the other hand, are irked that people confuse them for the Mosuo and do not like being called as matriarchal.

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Their costumes are very distinguishable from other ethnic groups and they are renowned for their pictograph script

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Darker clothing style with larger head gear for women. They did not adopt the Naxi's pictograph script.

There are some sites out there that also confuse the two and use images of both groups interchangibly with each other.

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Another is the Aynu (not the same as Ainu of Japan)

They are small in number and classified as Uighur. However their status within Uighur society is very low. I am not sure if they have applied to the gov't to be a seperate group, but many western journals have emphasized the significant difference between the two.

I couldn't find any pics but here's a link
http://www.ethnologu...ge.asp?code=AIB

From what I've read, most consider them an Indo-European people with Uighur influences, rather than to be Uighur period.
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Tuvans/Tyvans

Related to the Tyvans in the Republic of Tyva (Russia), they are classified as Mongolian and live in Northern Xinjiang among the Kazakhs. Unlike the other two unofficial groups, Tuvans are looked upon favorably by both Mongols and Kazakhs who both view them as a "branch" of their own group. There is supposedly about 4,000 of them. They are also known as Kok Monchaq (by Kazakhs) and also by their older name, Uriankhai/Urianhai

there are several subsections about them here
http://www.globalcon...GOLPASTORAL.pdf

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 11:39 PM

When I was in Yunnan, the Mosuo was clearly defined as an independent ethnic group. I wasn't even aware that Mosuo isn't an official ethnic group until you mentioned it. I distinctly remember the Mosuo being matriachal and have a tradition where the woman would go to different men's houses at night and hang something outside indicating they're there.

However, when I was in Xinjiang, no one has ever mentioned anything about the Aynu.
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Posted 17 March 2005 - 11:45 PM

However, when I was in Xinjiang, no one has ever mentioned anything about the Aynu.

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Ah good point. The Aynu are extremely localized in the south. Uighurs I've met who are from Urumqi never heard of them and I am pretty sure most Xinjiang people are un aware of them. However those from Khotan and maybe Kashgar (Kashi) will probably recognize them.. I almost got into a fight with a Kashgar guy as he felt offended over the issue of the Aynu, I guess it's pretty sensitive issue with the locals there.

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 01:00 AM

I remember I asked a question about the Ainu over at AE and someone started to rant about the Aynu...they said they were the same people..:P


The Tuvans are called Uriankhai/Urianhai eh?

Sounds a bit like the Korean word for barbarian... Orangkae (오랑캐)...



Nice post!
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Posted 03 May 2005 - 02:21 AM

I remember I asked a question about the Ainu over at AE and someone started to rant about the Aynu...they said they were the same people..:P
The Tuvans are called Uriankhai/Urianhai eh?

Sounds a bit like the Korean word for barbarian... Orangkae (오랑캐)...
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Uriankhai/hai is the term Mongols (and I guess Manchu) use for them, they don't call themselves that, they were always Tyvans. Ah and yes Ainu and Aynu are different :)




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