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[dukeparma]

Hi all,

I asked for this in other Forum of the Web without results so I´m trying now here...

I ask about a list of big Kuomingtang units (Armies (also designated as Corps Conglomerates), Pacification Areas, and Bandit Suppression Headquarters), dates of creation/ dissolution and location.

I only have information located in Wikipedia, or in the Web uglychinese, or in an excellent american work about the Huai Huai campaign...

Does any of you have additional information about this??

Thanks,

Javier

Edited by General_Zhaoyun, 08 October 2009 - 09:00 PM.
Correct spelling

[ahxiang]

Hi all,

I asked for this in other Forum of the Web without results so I´m trying now here...

I ask about a list of big Kuomingtang units (Armies (also designated as Corps Conglomerates), Pacification Areas, and Bandit Suppression Headquarters), dates of creation/ dissolution and location.

I only have information located in Wikipedia, or in the Web uglychinese, or in an excellent american work about the Huai Huai campaign...

Does any of you have additional information about this??

Thanks,

Javier

You could find more information in my doc http://www.republica...Campaign-v0.pdf

By the time of the Huai-hai Campaign, communist forces had been organized as "zong dui", which numbered from 30,000 to 100,000 men, and often times reserving the un-armed stretcher-bearers as reserves for the "human wave attacks". Liu Bocheng and Chen Yi's two field armies participated in the battles. Liu Bocheng's field army, which was halved about half a year ago during the excursion to the Mt Dabieshan and back to the central plains, was rebuilt. Chen Yi's field army, which was severely beaten at the Battles of Nanma and Linqu, was rebuilt north of the Yellow River before coming south for the Huai-hai Campaign, with hundreds of pieces of artilleries shipped over the seas from North Korea.

As for the KMT armies, their ranks were kept unchanged. It was the result of a bad policy, namely, the ROC allowed the commanders appropriate the military stipends from top to bottom, and gave the commanders an incentive to refrain from replenishing the lost ranks. Field troops involved in the Huai-hai Campaign were designated "bing tuan", i.e., army group, which included several "army corps". The order of battle for troops under the Pacification Office were no longer valid since many of those pacification zones had either abandoned their garrisons or were destroyed. Before the Huai-hai zone, there were in the area about four zones: Li Mo'an's first pacification zone, Wang Yaowu's 2nd pacification zone, Feng Zhi'an's 3rd pacification zone, and Liu Ruming's 4th pacification zone.

[thirdgumi]

Hi dukeparma, can you understand Chinese? There is a documentary on Phoenix Channel about Huai Hai campaign which you can watch online.

[dukeparma]

[quote name='ahxiang' date='11 October 2009 - 05:53 AM' timestamp='1255233196' post='4982799']
You could find more information in my doc http://www.republica...Campaign-v0.pdf

Thanks Ah Xiang!

Precisely I have detailed info about the Huai Huai campaign and Manchurian campaigns, but I don`t have information of all other teathers of the War.

So, I´m asking for information about the "bing tuan" (Army Groups) and Pacifications Zones created during the war. If possible, date of creation and dissolution and regions were operated...

[ahxiang]

[quote name='dukeparma' date='28 October 2009 - 05:53 AM' timestamp='1256734398' post='4983407']
[quote name='ahxiang' date='11 October 2009 - 05:53 AM' timestamp='1255233196' post='4982799']
You could find more information in my doc http://www.republica...Campaign-v0.pdf

Thanks Ah Xiang!

Precisely I have detailed info about the Huai Huai campaign and Manchurian campaigns, but I don`t have information of all other teathers of the War.

So, I´m asking for information about the "bing tuan" (Army Groups) and Pacifications Zones created during the war. If possible, date of creation and dissolution and regions were operated...
[/quote]

For the civil war time period, I haven't see a good book with the proper order of battles. I spent about two years writing on the civil war in 2004-6, but shifted to the 1925-1941 period thereafter. I kind of pieced together the units by examining numerous books. The "bing tuan" (Army Groups) was a relatively new numbering that was devised just prior to the Huai-Hai Campaign. In 1945-1946, under Marshall's disarmament plan, Chinese army was downgraded one level down, namely, corps degrading to division and division downgrading to brigade. There were around ten reorganized puppet armies that were dismissed per Marshall order. The pacification zones, such as Li Mo'an's first pacification zone, Wang Yaowu's 2nd pacification zone, Feng Zhi'an's 3rd pacification zone, and Liu Ruming's 4th pacification zone, were in effect from 1946 to early 1948. After the eruption of the large-scale battles in 1947, the disarmament plan was reversed, with the divisions upgraded to the army corps again. After the sieges of Kaifeng and Jinan, the pacification zones did not exist any more. Give me some time, I will wrap up the civil war history, possibly sometime next year.

[dukeparma]

ame='dukeparma' date='28 October 2009 - 05:53 AM' timestamp='1256734398' post='4983407']
Give me some time, I will wrap up the civil war history, possibly sometime next year.

Thanks Ah Xiang!

Any other member of this Forum have information about this topic?

I mean Order of Battle of KMT main units (Army Groups, Bandit Suppression HQ and Pacification Areas during 1946-49...

Thanks!
Javier