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[Dagvadorj]

Well, this question is especially for the Westerners in the forum. Here it goes: What was your first thought when you hear there's also an "Inner" Mongolia other than Mongolia?

If you are an ethnic Chinese grown up in some other place than China, please state where you were grown up.

Thanks!

[Dagvadorj]

Well, this question is especially for the Westerners in the forum. Here it goes: What was your first thought when you hear there's also an "Inner" Mongolia other than Mongolia?

If you are an ethnic Chinese grown up in some other place than China, please state where you were grown up.

Thanks!

[meili]

I kept confusing the two. I would say Mongolia when I really meant to say Inner Mongolia.

[mrclub]

well, i dont get mixed up by the two. Mongolia (or some people say, Outer Mongolia) is the independent nation.

Inner Mongolia is a 自治区 of China

[MJL]

It's really quite simple; Mongolia's independent, Inner Mongolia isn't.

[大学语文12345]

There is no comparisons between Mongolia, as a country and Iner-Mongolia which has been totally inhabited by Han Chinese people. No doubt, Iner-Mongolia is an autnomous-region of China and native Mongolian enjoy the rights to rule this land by their own customs, nevertheless, Iner Mongolian has been overpopulated by Han Chinese, and our Mongolian blood is diluted by Chinese.

[xng]

There is no comparisons between Mongolia, as a country and Iner-Mongolia which has been totally inhabited by Han Chinese people. No doubt, Iner-Mongolia is an autnomous-region of China and native Mongolian enjoy the rights to rule this land by their own customs, nevertheless, Iner Mongolian has been overpopulated by Han Chinese, and our Mongolian blood is diluted by Chinese.

Strangely, inner Mongolia has more mongolians than proper Mongolia.

[kiwimeetskiwi]

You may be surprised, but I have heard of Inner Mongolia. I din't know much about it until my friend showed me a map.
It's one of the ares China conquered during W.W.II. Mongolia's still a free country. Here's a map.
 mongolia!!!.jpg   36.19K   12 downloads

[xng]

You may be surprised, but I have heard of Inner Mongolia. I din't know much about it until my friend showed me a map.
It's one of the ares China conquered during W.W.II. Mongolia's still a free country. Here's a map.
 mongolia!!!.jpg   36.19K   12 downloads

China didn't conquer inner Mongolia in WW2 !

The whole of Mongolia was part of the Qing dynasty until the beginning of the 20th century when the russians forced Outer Mongolia to free itself from China in order to act as a buffer zone.

Edited by xng, 02 July 2010 - 01:32 PM.

[Dagvadorj]

As the power of the Qing dynasty was declined and colonization of foreign powers was facing, non-Manchu people of the dynasty like Mongols (both Outer Mongolians and Inner Mongolians), Han Chinese, and Tibetans started to struggle to restore their separate sovereign statehood.

Inner Mongolia was not conquered by China in the WW2. Rather I would say it was colonized by the Guomindang after the fall of the Qing dynasty. Its statehood was declined into provinces. The Inner Mongolians struggled in different ways against it like allying in some part with the Japanese. Finally, the Inner Mongolian communists with the Han Chinese communists won unqualified Guomindang in order to establish their autonomous state.

It is true that the number of ethnic Mongols in Inner Mongolia is more than the number in Mongolia. But it is more difficult to homogenize and integrate the Inner Mongolians because there are many different tribes and their scarce locations.

[大学语文12345]

The population of Iner-Mongolian is much more than Halh Mongolian is a ******* wrong! Some Han Chinese people changed their Children's ID card with Mongolian identity for a priority in the national exam to university. Because native Iner-Mongolian enjoy the policy of adding scores in the nation exams. As a result, the pupulation of native Mongolian increased tremendously.

[peger]

I didn't think much of it when I discovered there was an area called 'Inner Mongolia', as I knew very little of Mongolian history (and still don't know much, tbqh) Although I was very interested the first time I read about this:

Strangely, inner Mongolia has more mongolians than proper Mongolia.

Is their any sentiment for independence among the Mongolian minority here? How do they get along with the Han majority? How close are links with Mongolia proper?

[Dagvadorj]

Anti-Chinese sentiments were a lot during the Guomindang. Majority of the Inner Mongolian khoshuus informed they would follow the Mongolian Independence of 1911 and a lot actually maneuvered Mongolian raids towards Hoh Hot and Kalgan.

After 1949, the Inner Mongolians have been getting peacefully with the Han Chinese, also People's Republic of Mongolia recognized Inner Mongolia and People's Republic of China as friend.

[crabdonut]

Anti-Chinese sentiments were a lot during the Guomindang. Majority of the Inner Mongolian khoshuus informed they would follow the Mongolian Independence of 1911 and a lot actually maneuvered Mongolian raids towards Hoh Hot and Kalgan.

After 1949, the Inner Mongolians have been getting peacefully with the Han Chinese, also People's Republic of Mongolia recognized Inner Mongolia and People's Republic of China as friend.

Actually the PRC treated Inner Mongolians like **** due to paranoia of separatism. They lightened up later of course.

[kiwimeetskiwi]

China didn't conquer inner Mongolia in WW2 !

The whole of Mongolia was part of the Qing dynasty until the beginning of the 20th century when the russians forced Outer Mongolia to free itself from China in order to act as a buffer zone.

"In 1937, open war broke out between the Republic of China and Japan. On December 8, 1937, Mongolian Prince De Wang declared the independence of the remaining parts of Inner Mongolia (i.e. the Suiyuan and Chahar provinces) as Mengkiang or Mengkukuo, and signed close agreements with Manchukuo and Japan, thereby turning Inner Mongolia into a puppet state of the Japanese Empire. The capital was established at Zhangbei (now in Hebei province), with the puppet government's control extending as far west as the Hohhot region. In August 1945, Mengkiang was taken by Soviet and Outer Mongolian troops during Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation."

It had some autonomy before it was part of the P.R.C.

Edited by kiwimeetskiwi, 10 July 2010 - 08:20 AM.