I mentioned that before. I said peasants who had no clan name or a lack of a surname earlier in another thread. Those who still had a surname (usually nobles) had no reason to change clan names when they switched different rulers. Learn to go around other threads and read them for once, especially since Mohistmaniac just mentioned it in this thread already. If you lack the patience for reading comprehension and English proficiency, then it's not my problem. For one thing, I don't like to regurgitate things that I've said before, unless if I forgot or feel that I have to mention them again.
During the whole Zhou dynasty, people can be divided into 2 class:
国民--people living in the cities, or nobles+freeman--they do have their own clan.
野人--people living in the rural area, or peasants/slaves--they do not have their own clan.
This division didn't disappear till Han dynasty.
Were the Zhou and Shang people derived from Xia or were they derived from elsewhere other than Xia? By Xia I think I am pointing to the areas which produced the elite clans which went on to create their Xia dynasty or Erlitou culture. I know I'm making broad assumptions here but I think what I'm trying to perceive is whether or not predynastic Zhou Xia and Shang were different peoples and had different cultures before they ended up getting collectivized under the same vassal/fiefdom/feudal/taxation system of Xia Shang and Zhou dynasties in that order. Well they may have been similar but there could still be differences which estranged them apart from each other to create their own elite clans.
Most 'historians' in China obviously have a penchant for associating myths and fairy tales to actual archaeology. Their claims are not as serious in the eyes of Western scholars. This is especially common amongst ethnic minority 'scholars' in China and nationalist 'scholars' from other Asian countries, especially Vietnam and South Korea. That isn't to say that Xia didn't exist. It may have existed, but we don't have any first-hand accounts from the Xia themselves, only second-hand accounts. The Zhou first appear as adversaries in the Shang oracle bones. Then after a while, they became allies. Then sometime around the fall of the Shang, they appear as enemies again. Erlitou may have been a representative of Xia dynasty, but no concrete proof as of yet. But what's interesting to note that Erligang culture (Early Shang) replaced Erlitou culture entirely due to stratigraphy. Speaking of oracle bones and Xia, the Xia were never mentioned in any of the Shang oracle bones. Now by this comment, I'm not implying that Xia didn't exist. Now keep in mind, Erlitou and Erligang are different Neolithic cultures. (Though I feel that I've said that before in the Xia Dynasty and Han Nationalism threads)
Edited by bloodmerchant, 20 March 2011 - 10:27 AM.