Jump to content


Photo

How can Chinese people that not live in China trace their decendants?


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 LuLingQi

LuLingQi

    Provincial Governor (Cishi 刺史)

  • Entry Scholar (Xiucai)
  • 38 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Bandung, Indonesia
  • Interests:Chinese art of war, phylosophy, Chinese history & culture, Martial arts, Music, military tactics, science
  • Languages spoken:English, Indonesian, Chinese, Japanese
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Hokkian Chinese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Art of War
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Martial Arts & Three Kingdoms

Posted 28 April 2010 - 02:51 AM

Can anyone tell me? I want to trace my decendants...

#2 xiaogezhi

xiaogezhi

    Citizen (Shumin 庶民)

  • CHF Beginner
  • 2 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese History
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Buddhisim Tibet language

Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:00 AM

make a family tree

#3 Shaolin

Shaolin

    State Undersecretary (Shangshu Lang 尚书郎)

  • Super Moderator
  • 698 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Singapura
  • Interests:Three Kingdoms, Age of Fragmentation, Chinese Mythology.
  • Languages spoken:Mandarin, English, Minnanyu ( Hokkien)
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese History
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Three Kingdoms

Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:45 AM

Can anyone tell me? I want to trace my decendants...


Do you mean ancestors?
無為
Eternal Vigilance Is the Price of Liberty

#4 xng

xng

    Emperor (Huangdi 皇帝)

  • CHF Han Lin Scholar
  • 2,959 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Languages spoken:English, Cantonese, Minnan, Mandarin, Singlish
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Han Chinese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Language
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Chinese Linguistics, Buddhism, East Asian anthropology

Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:46 AM

Can anyone tell me? I want to trace my decendants...


Indonesian chinese come from Fujian and Guangdong province only. As to which part of these two provinces, ....

If your father don't know, then ask grandfather, if they don't know then

Go to your ancestor's tomb, your ancestral village is inscribed on the tombstone.

Edited by xng, 28 April 2010 - 08:48 AM.


#5 General_Zhaoyun

General_Zhaoyun

    Grand Valiant General of Imperial Han Army

  • Admin
  • 12,048 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Singapore (Taiwanese/Singapore Permanent Resident)
  • Interests:Chinese History, Chinese Philosophy and Religion, Chinese languages, Minnan/Taiwanese language, Classical Chinese, General Chinese Culture
  • Languages spoken:Mandarin, Taiwanese (Hokkien), English, German, Singlish
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Han Chinese (Taiwanese Hoklo)
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    General Chinese Culture
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Chinese Language, History and Culture

Posted 28 April 2010 - 09:46 AM

Can anyone tell me? I want to trace my decendants...


I suppose you mean ancestors.

If you're Hokkien, that would mean you ancestors could have originated from southern parts of Fujian province.

Go to the tomb of your ancestors or plaque/ancestor tablets housed in temple. There are Chinese words written on them that recorded where they originated from. Some Chinese family maintained genealogy records for tracing their ancestry.

Some countries have birth certificates or records of your ancestor's birth. They might indicate where they originated from, when they immigrated to the countries.

As for connection to ''any relatives" in China, it might be difficult if contacts are already lost. The best way is to check for families with the same surname.
Posted ImagePosted Image

"夫君子之行:靜以修身,儉以養德;非淡泊無以明志,非寧靜無以致遠。" - 諸葛亮

One should seek serenity to cultivate the body, thriftiness to cultivate the morals. If you are not simple and frugal, your ambition will not sparkle. If you are not calm and cool, you will not reach far. - Zhugeliang

#6 bloodmerchant

bloodmerchant

    State Undersecretary (Shangshu Lang 尚书郎)

  • Entry Scholar (Xiucai)
  • 611 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Chinese History, Wu Chinese language, Chinese culture, Chinese linguistics, Wu Chinese culture, Southern Chinese languages
  • Languages spoken:English (American), Wu Chinese (Shanghainese)
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:American-born Han Chinese (Shanghainese/Jiangnanese)
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Language
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Biology, Linguistics, Medieval History

Posted 28 April 2010 - 12:52 PM

all i know is that my parents know where their ancestors came from.

my parents told me their ancestral home and family history (but only the basic stuff).
吳王夫差將伐齊,子胥曰:“不可。夫齊之與吳也,習俗不同,言語不通,我得其地不能處,得其民不得使。夫吳之與越也,接土鄰境,壤交通屬,習俗同,言語通,我得其地能處之,得其民能使之。”
─伍子胥 《知化》,《呂氏春秋》

#7 LuLingQi

LuLingQi

    Provincial Governor (Cishi 刺史)

  • Entry Scholar (Xiucai)
  • 38 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Bandung, Indonesia
  • Interests:Chinese art of war, phylosophy, Chinese history & culture, Martial arts, Music, military tactics, science
  • Languages spoken:English, Indonesian, Chinese, Japanese
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Hokkian Chinese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Art of War
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Martial Arts & Three Kingdoms

Posted 03 May 2010 - 01:49 AM

Yes sorry I mean ancestor. My parents doesn't know about them and I rarely met my grandparents. They said that they are Hokkians but I found 3 possible ancestors from Ke family, one from Jiang tribe, one from Manchu and I forgot the last.

#8 AnthonyLeongKarKeong

AnthonyLeongKarKeong

    County Magistrate (Xianling 县令)

  • CHF Beginner
  • 6 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Brisbane, Australia
  • Interests:China History, root searching
  • Languages spoken:English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Malay, Hakka
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Cantonese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Ethnicities,Peoples
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    none

Posted 10 May 2010 - 10:46 PM

Yes sorry I mean ancestor. My parents doesn't know about them and I rarely met my grandparents. They said that they are Hokkians but I found 3 possible ancestors from Ke family, one from Jiang tribe, one from Manchu and I forgot the last.


Hi mate,
If you are serious about root searching , and if your grandparents are still around. Grab a video camera and start asking questions NOW. especially if your grandfather does not carry the family tree book from China.

I have never met my grandparents but I am lucky because he left us with a family book with his village name in China. After 6months intensive googling i found and narrow to few possibilities and went to the one i think match closely the most. To my surprise my grandfather's name exists in MANY of the family books in different families in that village because they share the same ancestors!.

after even more research i found that my ancestors has a copy of family book in library such as http://www.zslib.com.cn/

u need to know at least the village, your grand father's name , hopefully from your grandfather u find out even more information such as his father or grand father's name, not all chinese people keep record of all names. I was lucky.

Begin to search on your surname, your grandfather's village.
My root searching / leong history information
http://leonghistory.blogspot.com
httP://acidfreako.blog.163.com

#9 AnthonyLeongKarKeong

AnthonyLeongKarKeong

    County Magistrate (Xianling 县令)

  • CHF Beginner
  • 6 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Brisbane, Australia
  • Interests:China History, root searching
  • Languages spoken:English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Malay, Hakka
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Cantonese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Ethnicities,Peoples
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    none

Posted 10 May 2010 - 11:01 PM

Yes sorry I mean ancestor. My parents doesn't know about them and I rarely met my grandparents. They said that they are Hokkians but I found 3 possible ancestors from Ke family, one from Jiang tribe, one from Manchu and I forgot the last.



Good luck!
My root searching / leong history information
http://leonghistory.blogspot.com
httP://acidfreako.blog.163.com

#10 LuLingQi

LuLingQi

    Provincial Governor (Cishi 刺史)

  • Entry Scholar (Xiucai)
  • 38 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Bandung, Indonesia
  • Interests:Chinese art of war, phylosophy, Chinese history & culture, Martial arts, Music, military tactics, science
  • Languages spoken:English, Indonesian, Chinese, Japanese
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Hokkian Chinese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Art of War
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Martial Arts & Three Kingdoms

Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:21 AM

Good luck!


Thank you!

#11 General_Zhaoyun

General_Zhaoyun

    Grand Valiant General of Imperial Han Army

  • Admin
  • 12,048 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Singapore (Taiwanese/Singapore Permanent Resident)
  • Interests:Chinese History, Chinese Philosophy and Religion, Chinese languages, Minnan/Taiwanese language, Classical Chinese, General Chinese Culture
  • Languages spoken:Mandarin, Taiwanese (Hokkien), English, German, Singlish
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Han Chinese (Taiwanese Hoklo)
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    General Chinese Culture
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Chinese Language, History and Culture

Posted 18 May 2010 - 05:26 AM

Hi mate,
If you are serious about root searching , and if your grandparents are still around. Grab a video camera and start asking questions NOW. especially if your grandfather does not carry the family tree book from China.

I have never met my grandparents but I am lucky because he left us with a family book with his village name in China. After 6months intensive googling i found and narrow to few possibilities and went to the one i think match closely the most. To my surprise my grandfather's name exists in MANY of the family books in different families in that village because they share the same ancestors!.

after even more research i found that my ancestors has a copy of family book in library such as http://www.zslib.com.cn/

u need to know at least the village, your grand father's name , hopefully from your grandfather u find out even more information such as his father or grand father's name, not all chinese people keep record of all names. I was lucky.

Begin to search on your surname, your grandfather's village.


Wow.. you really give good information.

I do know my ancestor's name who went over to Taiwan. In the future, I hope to trace if there are relatives in China. Will need to search for the records. I plan to compile some records into a written form or video tape it for my future generations to know.

One problem with overseas Chinese is that after 2nd or 3rd generations, they may be assimilated to the local environment of the country and might not know the Chinese languages. This might make it difficult to trace.
Posted ImagePosted Image

"夫君子之行:靜以修身,儉以養德;非淡泊無以明志,非寧靜無以致遠。" - 諸葛亮

One should seek serenity to cultivate the body, thriftiness to cultivate the morals. If you are not simple and frugal, your ambition will not sparkle. If you are not calm and cool, you will not reach far. - Zhugeliang

#12 AnthonyLeongKarKeong

AnthonyLeongKarKeong

    County Magistrate (Xianling 县令)

  • CHF Beginner
  • 6 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Brisbane, Australia
  • Interests:China History, root searching
  • Languages spoken:English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Malay, Hakka
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:Cantonese
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Ethnicities,Peoples
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    none

Posted 18 May 2010 - 06:01 AM

Wow.. you really give good information.

I do know my ancestor's name who went over to Taiwan. In the future, I hope to trace if there are relatives in China. Will need to search for the records. I plan to compile some records into a written form or video tape it for my future generations to know.

One problem with overseas Chinese is that after 2nd or 3rd generations, they may be assimilated to the local environment of the country and might not know the Chinese languages. This might make it difficult to trace.


my blog on my surname http://acidfreako.blog.163.com/
my root and root searching http://acidfreako.bl...52009731718649/

usually those who went to china will link back to china...when i trace my grandfather's village , i traced the family tree which leads for me to find out my ancestors were first Hokkien/fujian only to become cantonese later..

without knowing mandarin its going to be difficult, if they can still speak little best if go directly to the village where the grandpa used to live...at least in china they are still staying within the same surname village..not sure about taiwan... i know that for Leong surname there are many village in Guangzhou till today who are staying in the same village all over guangzhou...

if 1's ancestor is from a big branch of a surname usually their ancestors family book will be kept in library...knowing more names further up generation helps narrow down the search..
My root searching / leong history information
http://leonghistory.blogspot.com
httP://acidfreako.blog.163.com

#13 bloodmerchant

bloodmerchant

    State Undersecretary (Shangshu Lang 尚书郎)

  • Entry Scholar (Xiucai)
  • 611 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Chinese History, Wu Chinese language, Chinese culture, Chinese linguistics, Wu Chinese culture, Southern Chinese languages
  • Languages spoken:English (American), Wu Chinese (Shanghainese)
  • Ethnic Groups or Race:American-born Han Chinese (Shanghainese/Jiangnanese)
  • Main Interest in CHF:
    Chinese Language
  • Specialisation / Expertise:
    Biology, Linguistics, Medieval History

Posted 24 May 2010 - 07:32 PM

my blog on my surname http://acidfreako.blog.163.com/
my root and root searching http://acidfreako.bl...52009731718649/

usually those who went to china will link back to china...when i trace my grandfather's village , i traced the family tree which leads for me to find out my ancestors were first Hokkien/fujian only to become cantonese later..

without knowing mandarin its going to be difficult, if they can still speak little best if go directly to the village where the grandpa used to live...at least in china they are still staying within the same surname village..not sure about taiwan... i know that for Leong surname there are many village in Guangzhou till today who are staying in the same village all over guangzhou...

if 1's ancestor is from a big branch of a surname usually their ancestors family book will be kept in library...knowing more names further up generation helps narrow down the search..

I do not believe that it's that different. Villages hardly change demographics even to this day, and they might still speak the same ancestral language as your ancestors did, though it might be different depending on the circumstances.
吳王夫差將伐齊,子胥曰:“不可。夫齊之與吳也,習俗不同,言語不通,我得其地不能處,得其民不得使。夫吳之與越也,接土鄰境,壤交通屬,習俗同,言語通,我得其地能處之,得其民能使之。”
─伍子胥 《知化》,《呂氏春秋》




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users