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[salapao]

I read from a Thai newspaper that Malaysia is broke and may go bankrupt in 9 years and that nowadays, Malaysian Chinese and Indian are leaving the country to settle in the countries that have good governance like Canada, the US , Australia etc. leaving the Malays who are not good at making money live poorly in the country? Is the situation that bad?

[Liubei]

I read from a Thai newspaper that Malaysia is broke and may go bankrupt in 9 years and that nowadays, Malaysian Chinese and Indian are leaving the country to settle in the countries that have good governance like Canada, the US , Australia etc. leaving the Malays who are not good at making money live poorly in the country? Is the situation that bad?

Heh, not even close to that bad. Malaysia has a pretty good debt to gdp ratio, plenty of natural resources, and a strong export industry. Their population also has lots of leeway for growth and a developed middle class. I believe they actually had negative gdp growth for 2009 but it was due to the global downturn and most of SE Asia was impacted in a similar way.

I wouldn't believe Thai news sources very much..there's a lot of nationalistic b.s. in a lot of it. Thai news loves putting down its neighbors when it comes to all things but very little of it is factual.

http://en.wikipedia...._by_public_debt

[WuXiaHer0]

Sad to say, yes. Right now, many Chinese and Indian parents are planning to send their children overseas. Majority of the M'sian Chinese migrate to Singapore and US the second. In fact, the syllabus of the education system is going to change in 2012 where the lingua franca will be Malay. Science and Maths will be taught in Malay... How many countries are there which recognises this language??? Because of this, many non-Malay parents have already planned their children's future for the best.

Malaysia may be rich with natural resources and one of the major export industry but why is the country not as advance as Singapore? Singapore get their water supply and most of the resources from Malaysia but may I ask why hasn't Malaysia surpass Singapore? The answer lies with the government. As far as I can tell, there's no future for the non-Malays in M'sia.

[FredHakka]

Sad to say, yes. Right now, many Chinese and Indian parents are planning to send their children overseas. Majority of the M'sian Chinese migrate to Singapore and US the second. In fact, the syllabus of the education system is going to change in 2012 where the lingua franca will be Malay.

That means economic issue (stated in the Thais newspapers mentioned by Salapo in this link)is not the main reason for them to leave, it is the change in education system that triggers the move.

[mynahbird]

That means economic issue (stated in the Thais newspapers mentioned by Salapo in this link)is not the main reason for them to leave, it is the change in education system that triggers the move.

Malaysia's Constitution is not like that of Thailand or Indonesia, it allows people of various Ethnic origins to co-exist peacefully

each practising their own religions,languages etc.etc the people are not homogenous.

A large section of the majority people want to change all that, they want to dominate everything from political power,economy,intelligentsia etc

etc.at the expense of minorities even though they are not qualified or smart enough. Even though the minorities are the people who built and

sustained the whole economic system just as in Thailand or Vietnam.As they become more powerful standards regress and the country moves backwards.

For more than 4 decades the minority people have made a lot of sacrifices to allow the majority to progress by spending taxpayer's money on

their education etc, start-ups ,preferences in business licences and loans etc.4 decades later these people who have enjoyed all the quotas,

privileges,handicaps etc etc until they have about the same economic standing of others all things considered but they are still not satisfied and still want more. Even the rich demand that they be protected so they can get richer.

I wouldn't say all of the majority are like that, a small percentage have actually progressed mentally and share the same aspirations as the minority.The rest of them are like the situation in Ina, big group of unproductive people trying to prey on the productive by seeking rents etc etc.
I think the irrational majority just want to emulate their brethen in Ina and bring the country down all for short term gains.It is not surprising behavour of a primitive people. Hopefully the younger generation will be exposed to better values through education but again this area is also regressing to benefit this group.

[mrclub]

I heard that in the 1960s, the number of Malaysian Chinese is more than the Malays

[Yeleixingfeng]

Actually, everyone is just looking at one side of the coin.

The reason to turn Science and Maths into Malay is, in my opinion, because Malay is dying, ie. their mother tongue is dying. Think about it: If they restrict Chinese from teaching Science and Maths in Chinese, Chinese would still continue to grow technologically. China, Taiwan and Hong Kong would devise new terms as the world procedes, like 質子、酶、氯. Tamil would also keep up with the world, regardless of Malaysian Indians using the language or not, where Tamil is the sole language used in Southen India. Nonetheless, the same does not apply to Malay; it is up to the Malays to improve their own language. Hence, if Science and Maths is not taught in Malay, no new vocabulary would arise as there would be no demand of new words. Malay would be diminished to a lowly, unprofessional language - exactly the direction they are heading. Germany uses their own language in teaching Science and Maths, so do the Japanese, Korean, French, Spanish etc, why not Malay?
I know what you are going to say - those are all advanced countries, where people surge into their universities. The thing is, if the Malays do not continue promoting their culture, it will soon be tragically swallowed by the Chinese and Indians, whose culture have a strong origin pumping blood everywhere they land their feet. It is not surprising to see how Malays are so protective of their culture - unlike us irresponsible Chinese,they do not have another billion of their kind swarming the world going shihshashihsha. If they do not help themselves, no one will be there to help them. (Indonesians? Peh.)

Apparently I do not agree the way they suppress us 'foreigners', especially Chinese since we control most of the economy, to such an obvious extent, but I definitely do understand the reason they do so.

[mynahbird]

Actually, everyone is just looking at one side of the coin.

The reason to turn Science and Maths into Malay is, in my opinion, because Malay is dying, ie. their mother tongue is dying. Think about it: If they restrict Chinese from teaching Science and Maths in Chinese, Chinese would still continue to grow technologically. China, Taiwan and Hong Kong would devise new terms as the world procedes, like 質子、酶、氯. Tamil would also keep up with the world, regardless of Malaysian Indians using the language or not, where Tamil is the sole language used in Southen India. Nonetheless, the same does not apply to Malay; it is up to the Malays to improve their own language. Hence, if Science and Maths is not taught in Malay, no new vocabulary would arise as there would be no demand of new words. Malay would be diminished to a lowly, unprofessional language - exactly the direction they are heading. Germany uses their own language in teaching Science and Maths, so do the Japanese, Korean, French, Spanish etc, why not Malay?
I know what you are going to say - those are all advanced countries, where people surge into their universities. The thing is, if the Malays do not continue promoting their culture, it will soon be tragically swallowed by the Chinese and Indians, whose culture have a strong origin pumping blood everywhere they land their feet. It is not surprising to see how Malays are so protective of their culture - unlike us irresponsible Chinese,they do not have another billion of their kind swarming the world going shihshashihsha. If they do not help themselves, no one will be there to help them. (Indonesians? Peh.)

Apparently I do not agree the way they suppress us 'foreigners', especially Chinese since we control most of the economy, to such an obvious extent, but I definitely do understand the reason they do so.

You may have a point, but you are not correct when you say ethnic Chinese control the economy.it may be true of Penang but not elsewhere.

The ethnic Chinese in Msia no longer control the economy, 80 % of Chinese wealth is concentrated in 14 families and most of the wealth is
"old ' wealth.

Thais and Indonesians for eg. use their own language in Science and Technology, is it helping them? It is OK for people to protect their interests but in no way should it be done at the expense of others and everyone should have their own choice.it is all embodied in the Constitution,that's why we still have Chinese schools.

Teaching Science and Maths in Chinese or Malay has its own disadvantages, when they go to College or

University where the main medium is English (unless it is the local U), most cannot keep up.

Dont forget that private Us catering for local and overseas students have to deliver in English,the international language,not Chinese or Malay.

Edited by mynahbird, 04 October 2010 - 11:33 AM.

[mynahbird]

I heard that in the 1960s, the number of Malaysian Chinese is more than the Malays

That is correct, prior to 1970 Chinese formed 40 % of the population, if Singapore was not kicked out it would have been higher.

Today the chinese form about 25 % of the population and is expected to decline soon to 10 % like Indonesia.

In the 80s Mahatir Malaysia had a 70 million policy in which the people were encouraged to have many children and immigration was welcome

from counties like Indonesia with similar Malay stock and religion so as to dominate the country in terms of numbers.It is specially true in
Sabah.

This is ONE of the reasons why there is such disparity in population growth.

I think the people here want the Chinese people to be reduced to about 10 % so that they will not be a threat politically like in Indonesia and will not be in the way when they are such a small minority.It is an agenda.

Edited by mynahbird, 04 October 2010 - 11:36 AM.

[mynahbird]

Another reason is that the government thinks that it is pointless to engage the rest of the world.

Before countries depend on Foreign Direct Investment to accelerate growth but for some forseeable future these countries are too pre-occupied in rescuing and repairing their own countries after 2007 or have better investment places in China, Singapore or Vietnam for eg.

The current policy is for the country to be inward looking and look to build an internal economy by local people and local money,

so the country will be more inward looking in the future and less emphasis on engaging the world.

it is up to you to decide whether such a insular policy will be good or bad or good or bad for who.

In real terms the economy has been shrinking like nobody's business and it is also up to you whether

the economy can be re-built by looking inwards and reducing links with the rest of the world.

The same policies of protection has been consistently practised in Japan the world's no3 economy but they are living off old wealth

and have the technology and know how just like EU to look internally.Even for the Japanese and Europeans with their technology

are they doing well by being protective and inward looking or are they losing out to a very outward looking China?

[xng]

Today the chinese form about 25 % of the population and is expected to decline soon to 10 % like Indonesia.

Indonesian chinese only constitute less than 3% and not 10%. Most can't speak basic chinese .

[mynahbird]

Indonesian chinese only constitute less than 3% and not 10%. Most can't speak basic chinese .

Indonesian chinese only constitute less than 3% and not 10%. Most can't speak basic chinese .

Good ,there are so few Chinese at least there is less people suffering from the ill-treatment.

Indonesia's Constitution requires everyone to integrate as one nationality. the chinese there have done so

but are still discriminated against both officially and unofficially.Msia's Constitution requires peaceful co-existence.

In the 60s and 70s Chinese in msia had a choice leave or stay. Those who left who quite cynical and had no faith and saw Msia

as gradually becoming INa, those who were faithful and had no choice hope that by giving the local people most of what they demand for that there will be peaceful co-existence as they felt that people had the ability to be rational, sensible and grateful to build a equitable modern country.

Forty years later, the previously underperforming people are already doing so well but they are (at leastmost of them)

are still demanding freebies and more.It is also due to paranoia as someone said, to be dominated and swamped by others but they do not consider the effect on the country and others, only themselves.

So it is up to the reader to decide who was right or wrong. The mentality of people in Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei or Philippines are basically the same as they are the same people. They basically want to be parasites, landlords and tax collectors living off other peoples' hard work and want to have their cake and eat it too. It is no coincidence that the more dominant the Chinese are in Asian countries the more successful it will be.

Edited by mynahbird, 05 October 2010 - 12:10 AM.

[WuXiaHer0]

Forty years later, the previously underperforming people are already doing so well but they are (at leastmost of them)

are still demanding freebies and more.It is also due to paranoia as someone said, to be dominated and swamped by others but they do not consider the effect on the country and others, only themselves.

It's quite unfair to blame the others too. In the US (1800s I think), the Chinese were shunned too. The California Gold Rush prompted the Chinese to flock over to the US in search of a better living. The same happened when the Chinese flocked to Malaya working at tin mines. The Chinese were not at fault either. It's just that there were too many of them. They needed jobs. They needed to feed themselves and their families. They couldn't survive in China and they were forced to compete with the locals in foreign countries for jobs wherever they went. There were just too many Chinese who were competing for jobs until there was no job opportunities left for the others, especially the locals. Imagine people of other countries controlling China's economy instead of the Chinese themselves. Life's unfair, isn't it?

[Yeleixingfeng]

Are Malaysia and Singapore the only countries who teach Science and Maths in a foreign language?

It's quite unfair to blame the others too. In the US (1800s I think), the Chinese were shunned too. The California Gold Rush prompted the Chinese to flock over to the US in search of a better living. The same happened when the Chinese flocked to Malaya working at tin mines. The Chinese were not at fault either. It's just that there were too many of them. They needed jobs. They needed to feed themselves and their families. They couldn't survive in China and they were forced to compete with the locals in foreign countries for jobs wherever they went. There were just too many Chinese who were competing for jobs until there was no job opportunities left for the others, especially the locals. Imagine people of other countries controlling China's economy instead of the Chinese themselves. Life's unfair, isn't it?

If I am not wrong, the Australians hate Chinese too, for the same reason. Is it true?

[mynahbird]

It's quite unfair to blame the others too. In the US (1800s I think), the Chinese were shunned too. The California Gold Rush prompted the Chinese to flock over to the US in search of a better living. The same happened when the Chinese flocked to Malaya working at tin mines. The Chinese were not at fault either. It's just that there were too many of them. They needed jobs. They needed to feed themselves and their families. They couldn't survive in China and they were forced to compete with the locals in foreign countries for jobs wherever they went. There were just too many Chinese who were competing for jobs until there was no job opportunities left for the others, especially the locals. Imagine people of other countries controlling China's economy instead of the Chinese themselves. Life's unfair, isn't it?

Unfortunately your knowledge of Malaysian history is inaccurate.Prior to immigrants from other lands and british colonisation the local

people were a primitive people living in a feudal society and mostly farming. The British brought with them plantations, mines,industries

etc. with the hard work of immigrants and together built up the infrastructure and modern economy of the country, there were no schools,hospitals,roads,towns,

etc. etc. before the arrival of the British and immigrants. It was the British together with the immigrants who first created and pionerred

the modern economy.

When the British left everyone agreed to build a modern economy built along the same old lines.it would be nice to imagine what the country

would become without British and immigrant enterprise and technology. It is for the individual to imagine,like Laos?Even after 40 years of affirmative action the locals cannot even look after themselves,does that prove something?

The history is different from that of China,Australia or America.

As proof of the importance of the Chinese and Indians presence compare the success of countries in SEA with a large immigrant population against those with minimal ones, who are more successful?this is the ultimate test and proof, you only have to compare the behaviour of some African nations.
In fact in 1970 the locals actually demanded that all immigrants be deported, but the rational Pm of the time asked them,can the country survive without the immigrants? They realised their own shortcomings and decided that it was better to continue some form of peaceful co-existence.

Edited by mynahbird, 05 October 2010 - 03:15 AM.