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[willister]

I've always felt Vladivostok/Haishenwei to the Chinese was probably the best piece of land that the Qing had lost. Probably of the entire Russian Far East ceded, this was the most important territory..this is precisely the piece of land the Russians wanted because it was an ice free port all year round.

I'm pretty surprised the Chinese didn't use this trade route often enough back then and realise that they could lose the entire territory but keeping this port would have been gold.

So now begs the question, hypothetically, what if the Chinese had Vladivostok returned, I stress, it is a "what if" question, would this reengerise the now declining North East? Sure, it had Dalian, but that pretty much only serves Liaoning which has plenty of Japanese and Korean investment, but this would prove to be a bonus of provinces like Jilin and Heilongjiang.

Secondly, it would also be a world hotspot, imagine it some of the world's biggest economic and military superpowers gathered around in one sea - The Russians (Nakhoda), Chinese (Haishenwei), North and South Korea and Japan all in one close body of water. This would definitely keep the Russians and Americans in check for the Chinese.

[phead128]

Have you ever heard of the United Kingdom of Great Britain of Northern Ireland?

China's access to the Sea of Japan (East Sea) could easily be summarized in these few words: United Democratic People's Republic of China and Northern Korea.

Zhonghua Hangou Wansui, Wansui, Wan Wan sui.

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China de-facto has spread it's sphere of influence over the decrepit post-USSR soviet state. Just like what Tsarist Russia did to Northeast China, China will do to Outer Manchuria. Land seizing is outdated. Get the resources you need, and leave. :-)

Edited by phead128, 09 February 2011 - 06:48 PM.