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[galvatron prime]

China bans time travel for television
http://business.blog...evision/?hpt=C2
Hong Kong, China (CNN) – China has been cracking down on dissent of late, as the recent detainment of artist Ai Weiwei suggests.

But the latest guidance on television programming from the State Administration of Radio Film and Television in China borders on the surreal – or, rather, an attack against the surreal.

New guidelines issued on March 31 discourage plot lines that contain elements of "fantasy, time-travel, random compilations of mythical stories, bizarre plots, absurd techniques, even propagating feudal superstitions, fatalism and reincarnation, ambiguous moral lessons, and a lack of positive thinking."

“The government says … TV dramas shouldn’t have characters that travel back in time and rewrite history. They say this goes against Chinese heritage,” reports CNN’s Eunice Yoon. “They also say that myth, superstitions and reincarnation are all questionable.”



The Chinese censors seem to be especially sensitive these days. But for the television and film industry, such strictures would seem to eliminate any Chinese version of “Star Trek,” “The X-Files,” “Quantum Leap” or “Dr. Who.” And does that mean rebroadcast of huge Hollywood moneymakers like “Back to the Future” and the “Terminator” series are now forbidden?

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Edited by galvatron prime, 18 April 2011 - 11:26 PM.

[Lacrymosa]

Reality is stranger than fiction.

[TheAznValedictorian]

Reality is stranger than fiction.

That's true indeed

[Gan]

Speaking of time travel.

If it were possible, one it would take an enormous amount of energy, like an explosion of several stars.

Second, we wouldn't really be traveling to our past per se, it would most likely be into another universe (alternative universe). For example, time would be like a river. Instead of rowing back stream, you would jump into another parallel river. You can meet your ancestors, genetically they are yours, but they are "not truly" yours. In the sense, that if you want to change the past, your only changing the past of another alternative past, not the past of your own.

Third, there is a slight chance we could actually travel into "our own" past rather than an alternative. It would require us to find a cosmic string. It's really strange for me to describe it but what a cosmic string "might" do is bend space-time. So, if we were to travel in space and run into a cosmic string, space-time is shaped in a way where you can travel back in time instead of forward. The main problem is that we don't have too much control of "when" we would like to go, we just know it goes back in time.

lol, I learned this from watching Michio Kaku's Sci-fi science tv show.

[Gan]

I saw this joke on a blog somewhere

What if China actually did ban time travel?

Would that mean the authorities know something about our destiny?

[mariusj]

I saw this joke on a blog somewhere

What if China actually did ban time travel?

Would that mean the authorities know something about our destiny?

But once you actually travel, then it is already changed.

[Gan]

But once you actually travel, then it is already changed.

Maybe. but whose lives did you truly change if one were to travel in time? Your own lives or lives that exist on an alternative universe? Time is a crazy subject.

[mohistManiac]

But once you actually travel, then it is already changed.

I had a conversation like this a while back and the guy said something to the degree of that's why there's no time travel it's just a falsehood only the "present" exists.

[Gan]

I had a conversation like this a while back and the guy said something to the degree of that's why there's no time travel it's just a falsehood only the "present" exists.

I think if we're thinking of time travel, like the way people see in movies (Back to the future, the time machine, etc.) In a sense, many people do see that as an impossibility. That's kind of why many people suspect that if time travel could be achieve, we are not going to "our" past, but a past that exist in another universe (sorry for being so repetitive).

Traveling to "our own" past, presents a lot of paradoxes and whether or not our own reality can support individuals that don't exist within a particular time frame.

For something more down to Earth, we actually do time travel. Travelling at very high speeds takes us forward in time. If we could go to the middle of the galaxy and back, it would probably only take between 20-40 years (for us on the Ship) but 10,000 years would have passed on Earth. Travelling forward has never been a problem, it's going backwards that stumps people.

However, something funny happens in Nature. I learn this from my friend. On the quantum level, the smaller we get, the laws of nature becomes more chaotic. Going backwards in time might be possible on that scale because space-time is slightly distorted. It can support a lot of strange and spooky activities which would be not possible on a larger scale. This is why some people believe we could "possibly" send information to the past, but not really people (not like they do in Sci-fi movies).

[mariusj]

I think if we're thinking of time travel, like the way people see in movies (Back to the future, the time machine, etc.) In a sense, many people do see that as an impossibility. That's kind of why many people suspect that if time travel could be achieve, we are not going to "our" past, but a past that exist in another universe (sorry for being so repetitive).

Therefore not time traveling. Crossing dimensions is not as impressive as time travel

For something more down to Earth, we actually do time travel. Travelling at very high speeds takes us forward in time. If we could go to the middle of the galaxy and back, it would probably only take between 20-40 years (for us on the Ship) but 10,000 years would have passed on Earth. Travelling forward has never been a problem, it's going backwards that stumps people.

That merely movement of time. Otherwise, everyday as we age we 'travel' through time. In mathematical sense, 2D object 'travels' two directional, objects in Real space 'travels' through time.

However, something funny happens in Nature. I learn this from my friend. On the quantum level, the smaller we get, the laws of nature becomes more chaotic. Going backwards in time might be possible on that scale because space-time is slightly distorted. It can support a lot of strange and spooky activities which would be not possible on a larger scale. This is why some people believe we could "possibly" send information to the past, but not really people (not like they do in Sci-fi movies).

But any information sent would alter according to Chaos Theory. You may perhaps observe it, but that might also change.

But my brain does not support quantum physics.

[mohistManiac]

I think if we're thinking of time travel, like the way people see in movies (Back to the future, the time machine, etc.) In a sense, many people do see that as an impossibility. That's kind of why many people suspect that if time travel could be achieve, we are not going to "our" past, but a past that exist in another universe (sorry for being so repetitive).

Traveling to "our own" past, presents a lot of paradoxes and whether or not our own reality can support individuals that don't exist within a particular time frame.

For something more down to Earth, we actually do time travel. Travelling at very high speeds takes us forward in time. If we could go to the middle of the galaxy and back, it would probably only take between 20-40 years (for us on the Ship) but 10,000 years would have passed on Earth. Travelling forward has never been a problem, it's going backwards that stumps people.

However, something funny happens in Nature. I learn this from my friend. On the quantum level, the smaller we get, the laws of nature becomes more chaotic. Going backwards in time might be possible on that scale because space-time is slightly distorted. It can support a lot of strange and spooky activities which would be not possible on a larger scale. This is why some people believe we could "possibly" send information to the past, but not really people (not like they do in Sci-fi movies).

I think there are a lot of analogies like if you look at a quasar or something on the edge of the universe that would be like looking back into time but it's a reflection of the past in so far as you are wondering about the age of the light that you see compared to light that is coming from much closer. It's still all in the present. Even if you were to sacrifice a little "time" to travel into the "future" relative to those that weren't traveling with you the moment you stop technically speaking you guys are part of the same "present". You'd have only elongated your lifespan relative to someone else who didn't experience the space travel with you.

[Gan]

Therefore not time traveling. Crossing dimensions is not as impressive as time travel


That merely movement of time. Otherwise, everyday as we age we 'travel' through time. In mathematical sense, 2D object 'travels' two directional, objects in Real space 'travels' through time.


But any information sent would alter according to Chaos Theory. You may perhaps observe it, but that might also change.

But my brain does not support quantum physics.

Not to nitpick but crossing dimensions is slightly different than crossing into another universe. It's not that impressive but quite complicated. Alternate universes may not even conform to similar laws of nature as ours does, so things can get even more weird.

The space travel example and the "alternate universe" theory are pretty much the most "realistic" methods of time travel many scientists have currently. Yeah, it's stretching interpretation there, but that's sort of the best they have at the moment.

I don't even comprehend quantum physics as well.

Edited by Gan, 23 April 2011 - 01:22 PM.

[Gan]

I think there are a lot of analogies like if you look at a quasar or something on the edge of the universe that would be like looking back into time but it's a reflection of the past in so far as you are wondering about the age of the light that you see compared to light that is coming from much closer. It's still all in the present. Even if you were to sacrifice a little "time" to travel into the "future" relative to those that weren't traveling with you the moment you stop technically speaking you guys are part of the same "present". You'd have only elongated your lifespan relative to someone else who didn't experience the space travel with you.

Time acts weird outside of Earth. I mentioned the travelling in space part, but even if we were stationary on other planets, time itself would be slightly different than Earth based on what type of Star system. If two human populations exist on planets far away, there's a good chance both will age differently even if they may be of the same generations. I know, it's stretching interpretation here, because they won't technically age differently, it's just that contact between the two will span several generations.

[Gan]

I want to mention two things briefly.

First, regarding spacial dimensions. Length, height, width, etc. Most people stop at 11, because beyond that it's very unstable. However, some people suggest that a 12th one could work. If a 12th dimension plays out, we could have what people call "double time". Meaning, two objects can operate in the same place with different time sequences. I could be moving at regular speed (according to my perspective), while everything around me could be moving at a much slower pace, as if they are hardly moving. Something to think about.

The other thing I want to mention is science. This was also told to me by my friend. Science is, in a sense, an extension of philosophy. People have to question what is real and assume that what we see can confirm what we believe to be real. A lot of ideas, even those that are "sketched in stone" are open to interpretation. In layman's terms, Mathematics is finding patterns. The thing about math is that a lot of people aren't sure if a lot of mathematical ideas exist in nature or only in our imaginations.

For example, people have talked about Black holes for decades. However, we don't know if they are out there, the only thing we're sure of is that they are mathematically possible. Same thing with all the quantum ideas. Once in a while, you'll see articles online talking about teleportation, like scientists have achieved this distance or that using particles. However, have someone break it down to you all what they really did, and you'll realize that what teleporation did was measuring distances between particles that are "assumed" to be the same one.

[mohistManiac]

Time acts weird outside of Earth. I mentioned the travelling in space part, but even if we were stationary on other planets, time itself would be slightly different than Earth based on what type of Star system. If two human populations exist on planets far away, there's a good chance both will age differently even if they may be of the same generations. I know, it's stretching interpretation here, because they won't technically age differently, it's just that contact between the two will span several generations.

I know what you are trying to say, that it's terribly important and grounded in nature and so precise and yet mind boggling theoretic stuff at the same time. That's great, I just don't think I'm quite getting across my "pitch". You see while you and I are having this conversation for example we think it's because we are within the same realm for various givens like how we are living on the same planet and transmitting the same kinds of binary codes. It's really no different than from when we decide to live on different planets getting there using super fast craft. One guy just ends up living unnaturally longer than the other but not because he travels into the future but rather because he is actually stuck in the "past" while the other guy's biological clock continues racing forward. Both will still be "traveling" into the same "future".