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[thekyuke]

Oops! Here's the link. As usual its a cited study:Graham R. Serjeant, MD, FRCP, The Geography Of Sickle Cell Disease:Opportunities For Understanding Its DiversityRSITY
http://www.kfshrc.ed...43/rev9239.html

[wilson]

Its impossible to respond to such subjective declarations. If you have any objections to any evidence presented please present it for discussion.eg you talk of brow ridges,cranial capacities,collective cultures,reproductive strategies etc. etc. overlooking cited sources on African craniometrics/language parallels/ancient scripts.
We can only have a logical discussion by confirming or disconfirming the truth of these findings.
Though I'd rather we continue the original thread here is common haplogroup of Med. Europeans and W./Africans:

As I said that explains the similarity of proto-Saharan and linear b.

http://en.wikipedia....n,_and_Behavior

The book argues that Mongoloids, on average, are at one end of a continuum, that Negroids, on average, are at the opposite end of that continuum, and that Caucasoids rank in between Mongoloids and Negroids, but closer to Mongoloids. His continuum includes both external physical characteristics and personality traits.

while I may not agree on ALL conclusions that Rushton has come to e.g. " whites " being more intelligent than " blacks " , the physical evidence e.g. comparisons in cranial capacity are factual

You're quite unique in your assertions , comparisons of caucasoid and africanoid are considered ludicrous but you seem to be aiming even beyond this , take a chinaman and then sit him next to an african man , EVERYTHING is quite the opposite including physical and behavioral features.

[thekyuke]

http://en.wikipedia....n,_and_Behavior





while I may not agree on ALL conclusions that Rushton has come to e.g. " whites " being more intelligent than " blacks " , the physical evidence e.g. comparisons in cranial capacity are factual

You're quite unique in your assertions , comparisons of caucasoid and africanoid are considered ludicrous but you seem to be aiming even beyond this , take a chinaman and then sit him next to an african man , EVERYTHING is quite the opposite including physical and behavioral features.

[thekyuke]

Wilson,this discussion is beyond you.Much as I await a response from researchers,your responses,am sorry to say don't add any meaning to this discussion-in fact you're very close to spamming with your continual subjective irrelevancies. Everybody else here's a well cited peer reviewed study done on the Shang, I found recently.

The ancestors of the Melanesians and Polynesians probably lived in East Asia. The late appearance of Melanoid people from East Asia on the shore areas of Oceania would explain the differences between the genetic make up of Melanesians living in the highlands and Melanesians living along the shore [1-2].

The skeletal evidence from East Asia [3-7,12] suggests that the TMRCAs of the Polynesians and some of the coastal Melanesians may be mainland East Asia, not Taiwan. The ancestral population for the shoreline Melanesians was probably forced from East Asia by Proto-Polynesians as they were pushed into Southeast Asia by the Han or contemporary Chinese. This would explain the genetic diversity existing among shoreline Melanesians, in comparison to the genetic homogeneity among isolated inland Melanesian, like the Highland New Guineans.

There were two Shang Dynasties, one Melanoid (Qiang-Shang) and the other Proto-Polynesian (Yin-Shang). The first Shang Dynasty was founded by Proto-Melanesians or Melanoids belonging to the Yueh tribe called Qiang [7]. The Qiang lived in Qiangfeng, a country to the west of Yin-Shang, Shensi and Yunnan [7-11,13].

The archaeological evidence also indicates that the Polynesians probably originated in East Asia [4,6-7,12-13]. Consequently, the Polynesian migration probably began in East Asia, not Southeast Asia. Taiwan genetically probably belongs to the early Polynesians who settled Taiwan before they expanded into outer Oceania.

Given the archaeological record of intimate contact between Proto-Polynesians and Proto-Melanoids, neither a “slow boat” or “express train” explains the genetic relationship between the Melanesian and Polynesian populations. This record makes it clear that these populations lived in intimate contact for thousands of years and during this extended period of interactions both groups probably exchanged genes.

http://www.plosgenet...e1-a45d663c1fda
The references are impressive:
1. Manfred Kayser, Oscar Lao, Kathrin Saar, Silke Brauer, Xingyu Wang, Peter Nürnberg, Ronald J. Trent, Mark Stoneking Genome-wide Analysis Indicates More Asian than Melanesian Ancestry of Polynesians. The American Journal of Human Genetics - 10 January 2008, 82 (1); pp. 194-198.
2. J. S. Fredlaender, F.R. Friedlaender, J.A. Hodgson, M. Stoltz, G. Koki, G. Horvat,S. Zhadanov, T. G. Schurr and D.A. Merriwether, Melanesian mtDNA complexity, PLoS ONE, 2(2) 2007: e248.
3 F. Weidenreich F., Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping 13, (1938-40): p. 163.
4. Kwang-chih Chang, Archaeology of ancient China (Yale University Press, 1986) p. 64.
5. G. H. R. von Koenigswald, A giant fossil hominoid from the pleistocene of Southern China, Anthropology Pap. Am Museum of Natural History, no.43, 1952, pp. 301-309).
6. K. C. Chang, The archaeology of ancient China, (Yale University Press: New Haven, 1977): p. 76
7. Winters, Clyde Ahmad, “The Far Eastern Origin of the Tamils”, Journal of Tamil Studies, no27 (June 1985), pp. 65-92.
8. K. C. Chang, Shang Civilization, (Yale University Press: New Haven, 1980) pp. 227-230.
9. C. A. Winters, The Dravido-Harappa Colonization of Central Asia, Central Asiatic Journal, (1990) 34 (1-2), pp. 120-144.
10. Y. Kan, The Bronze culture of western Yunnan, Bull. Of the Ancient Orient Museum (Tokyo), 7 (1985), pp. 47-91.
11. S. S. Ling, A study of the Raft, Outrigger, Double, and Deck canoes of ancient China, the Pacific, and the Indian Ocean. The Institute of Ethnology Academic Sinica. Nankang, Taipei Taiwan, 1970.
12. Kwang-chih Chang, “Prehistoric and early historic culture horizons and traditions in South China”, Current Anthropology, 5 (1964): pp. 359-375: 375).
13. Winters, Clyde Ahmad, “Dravidian Settlements in ancient Polynesia”, India Past and Present 3, no2 (1986): pp. 225-241