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#16 azureboone

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 12:16 PM

why everytime i read this it makes my mind stray to comments that has sexual undertones..... let me blank out some words from the original question

........ China ...... raised in America ...... .....abusive ...., runs away ....... celibate guy ......saves her ......sexual harrassement. ...... ride home ......sleezy hotel ...... stuck......group of bad .....Chinese guys ....... .... hiding........ offers ...... house....spare bedroom .....night

Moralistic : Yeah, she'll call the police, thank the nice guy and live happily every after (which contradict why she didn't do it the first place)
Chinese : Kill herself to save vanity (although contradict the raised in America bit)
Conspiracy : She is a spy and same clan as the chinese bad-a**, and she wants to infiltrate the nice guy
Porn movie : She's Kobe Tai and its the first 10min of her porn movie. her screen name is Ju Si Lusy, the nice guy is Adam Goodfatt.


Didn't you know Mr. Loong that nearly EVERYTHING has sexual undertones? Sex is, afterall, a driving factor in just about everything in this world. This is part of a paranormal romance, which deals with a lot of sexual undertones, a very common occurance in romantic relationships and will eventually include sex, whether on or off the scene. I realize now that this question, without knowing sufficient background detail, is nearly impossible to answer. I added her backstory in the previous post, but I'm pretty comfortable with the decision she makes to in fact go with him. The trick is demonstrating to the reader that her decision is conceivable, believable, and logical for her character.

Thanks for all the help. :)

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 02:49 PM

Didn't you know Mr. Loong that nearly EVERYTHING has sexual undertones? Sex is, afterall, a driving factor in just about everything in this world. This is part of a paranormal romance, which deals with a lot of sexual undertones, a very common occurance in romantic relationships and will eventually include sex, whether on or off the scene. I realize now that this question, without knowing sufficient background detail, is nearly impossible to answer. I added her backstory in the previous post, but I'm pretty comfortable with the decision she makes to in fact go with him. The trick is demonstrating to the reader that her decision is conceivable, believable, and logical for her character. Thanks for all the help. :)


..........I'm actually getting the thought that he stripped of his pants to seduce her by the virtual of the size of his junk..........

Edited by oldbreadstinks, 14 September 2011 - 02:50 PM.


#18 oldbreadstinks

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 03:10 PM


Well my apologies sir, lol. So hard to know these things in cyber space. So, YES, thank you for all of this help. And I made up the little conversation and was aware that my made up male character was extremely cardboard, I was hurrying and I put it as an afterthought that it was a lame example. He sounded worse than a guy on a porno set, lmbo.

no, he sounded exactly like the guy in a porno vid, really, I think the line's almost identical.

"How unfortunate for you to have to clean up after such nasty scum."

that's like pure gold for porn.(trust me on that, i'm a guy)
but of course if its normal where you stay.

On the NAME. I KNOW Sheeku isn't Chinese sounding (however, there is a city in China very close, spelling off by a letter, I think) and I also acknowledged that I knew it wasn't very Chinese sounding maybe, so when you say things like..."Sheeku? really?" It makes me want to cyber smack you. But what you really FREAKED me out on was the name suggestion you gave. JADE. I (not kidding you), just decided on that name last night and was wondering if it would work, lol. So, thanks for that. What do you think of Ruki Jade Law? Or just Jade Law? She's a kick butt character, so I want her name to be kinda strong, but at the same time, she's beautiful, sweet and smart. I know Law is the romanized version of Lo, I think, but it would probably be something she'd use in America. And I like how strong it sounds. I hate how powerful names are, but they definitely are. The wrong one in a book makes the reader's upper lip quirk. I know it does mine, for sure.

yeah, but "sheeku" ?

nevermind what it sounds like, it doesn't even look chinky like "Yu feng/jade phoenix.
and yes, I do kinda feel that somehow people in the west thinks we all call our girls "jade" which was why I brought that up. (but we don't, I hardly know anyone called jade)
Jade Law seems kinda fierce for a girl who doesn't speak english well, does she have a nickname?
is this a serious novel ? or a comedy?

kick butt character? literally?


Okay, I think I'm figuring this out. It's like any dialect, we tend to mix them slang? In Louisiana, we have a cajun dialect. It looks like this:

What are you cooking for supper?
Cajun: Mmm, what 'cha cookin?

and using your example:
I might want to try that myself first before I make a decision.
Cajun: I needa try it first before I do anything.

So, it's more of how we arrange the thoughts and words in sentences that changes things. And Chinese doesn't translate well into English straight out, so I can imagine the flow of Chinese just naturally effecting that more than the English words themselves would.


something like that
which is why we end up talking this way( http://www.engrish.com/ )







I guess it seems like I don't have backstory on her. I'm just not sure if the backstory I have on her, works. The gist of her backstory is: She's got a prophetic gift that her uncle who lives in Chinatown California wants to use in his underground demonic battles. (people who supposedly possess power from various entities that fight to the death to gain more power. The uncle plans to marry Sheeku to his older son who is a fighter to gain her power, it's a big money gig of course) Sheeku, (who is about to have her name changed), is believed to have the power of Genghis Khan because of her blue eyes and her gift of death. She sees the deaths and suffereing of certain people before or as they're happening. Her uncle believes she is actually causing them and so wants to use her, or harness her power by gaining it through marriage to his son. So, he stirs up the village where she's from and convinces them she's dangerous. She's only 4 at the time. After the village abducts her and trys to cut the demon out of her, the uncle "rescues" her and convinces her father and mother that she'll only be safe in America. They believe him and give her to him. Once he has her there, he has the father imprisoned on bogus charges and convinces the mother to come help take care of her daughter so he can have his brothers wife. The uncle ensures this by having a seal tatooed on Sheeku's back, a diagram that binds or seals Sheeku in marriage and blocks the demon from taking possession of her. (the real case being he wants to gain her power through uniting their body and souls) This is scheduled to take place when she is 20. Why 20, why not twelve? Because the Uncle's spiritual consultant says that in the year of her twentieth birthday, 2012, the galaxy will align in such a way that will ensure the best binding. But Sheeku's mother has other plans. She meets an old woman that visits the uncle and they become friends. The old woman learns about Sheeku's misfortune and decides to help. She tells the uncle that she wishes to train Sheeku in the ways of a wife and teach her instruments to play for her husband. The uncle agrees and the old woman trains her in Wing Chun in addition to teaching her the ways of a wife. She also helps her learn English, but Sheeku hides it. But when she begins to understand it, she realizes the uncle's son who she's supposed to marry has cruel plans for her. So, Sheeku runs away when she's 19 when she overhears the uncle telling the mother that if she doesn't marry his son, they will deport her back to China to face murder charges for the deaths she predicted (or caused) . Sheeku ends up meeting the hero who really has a demon and they end up both having to fight at the end of the story in an epic underground battle. This is where we learn the truth about Sheeku's entity and just how powerful it is when she uses it to open the gates of Hell and end the battle once and for all, for her and the hero, whom she falls in love with. But before she runs away, the uncle keeps her imprisoned or hidden from society, convincing her that her eyes are portals to the demons power and it isn't safe for her to be in public. Of course this is going to be tricky to convey early on since I'm telling the story in first person from the hero's pov. Sheeku is the mystery we unravel. I know it seems like this story should be all about Sheeku, and really it eventually is because the hero falls in love with her. But the problem with the hero is his demon. He's been forced to carry the demon Ashmodie (god of lust) and the demons power is in his kiss and damnation is in his seed, which makes for a bad boyfriend. So, there's the conflict for him. While helping her and trying not to give into his desire for her, he secretly goes on exorcism sprees. Usually his shield makes women hate his guts but Sheeku's entity is immune. Which makes her able to like him but not so much that she'll go crazy and kill herself if she doesn't have him. (like it usually works)


...................eh. so its not those serious type of novel?


but lol......*** haha......

(the real case being he wants to gain her power through uniting their body and souls)

you sure you're not writing those softcore flicks?


" her uncle who lives in Chinatown California " huh? lives in California?
but the way you're putting it she's already half american if she's been here since 4, so she can speak english then?

Edited by oldbreadstinks, 14 September 2011 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 03:13 PM

why everytime i read this it makes my mind stray to comments that has sexual undertones..... let me blank out some words from the original question

........ China ...... raised in America ...... .....abusive ...., runs away ....... celibate guy ......saves her ......sexual harrassement. ...... ride home ......sleezy hotel ...... stuck......group of bad .....Chinese guys ....... .... hiding........ offers ...... house....spare bedroom .....night

Moralistic : Yeah, she'll call the police, thank the nice guy and live happily every after (which contradict why she didn't do it the first place)
Chinese : Kill herself to save vanity (although contradict the raised in America bit)
Conspiracy : She is a spy and same clan as the chinese bad-a**, and she wants to infiltrate the nice guy
Porn movie : She's Kobe Tai and its the first 10min of her porn movie. her screen name is Ju Si Lusy, the nice guy is Adam Goodfatt.


same here ...... lol *** I was thinking about kobe tai too.

but I think if she's a seriously super traditional chinese thinking type of person, she'll probably kill herself by bashing her head against the wall once she gets humiliated by the guy "touching" her.
just like so, just to preserve her Chasity.

Edited by oldbreadstinks, 14 September 2011 - 03:22 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2011 - 04:18 AM

hahahaa, a fellow connoisseur.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 10:50 AM

hahahaa, a fellow connoisseur.

let's just say I know who she is and leave it at that.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 05:15 AM

Say she's from China but was raised in America since she was four. She's lived in an abusive situation, runs away at nineteen and meets a nice celibate guy that helps get her a better job and on another occassion, saves her from sexual harrassement. Say he gives her a ride home to a sleezy hotel she's stuck staying at and a group of bad news Chinese guys are waiting in the parking lot. Nice guy sees she's hiding from them and offers her to stay at his house in the spare bedroom for the night.

Now, what would a Chinese girl do, and why?


Based on my understanding of your description of the character her defining characteristic isn't her being Chinese. Based on this description her defining characteristic would be her obviously long standing history of abuse. Although it would be advantageous to understand the culture of a 1st gen Chinese-American in certain regards to flesh out her personality.

If one of the defining features of her character is her history of abuse however it would be even more important to learn about the psyche of a long term victim of abuse. Considering the type of abuse, who it was perpetrated by, reasons, ect. The real person starts to form. Try and put yourself in her shoes. Try and imagine you were taken away from everything you knew and everyone you love at a very young age. Imagine you are brought to an entirely different world. The only person you know, someone who is supposed to love and care for you, ends up abusing you, daily. You are afraid. You can't trust anyone or anything.

I imagine your character would be a loner. She would have great difficulty trusting others. In the case of the parking lot incident she might ask the guy to drop her off very close to her door and walk her to it. I personally don't think she would want to go over some random guy's house who is trying to be her knight in shining armor. Then again it depends alot on the typr of abuse she suffered, how long it lasted ect.

My advice is to read about abused women first. Then you can figure out how it coincides with her role as a Chinese woman. There are some things that cross cultural boundaries.

Okay so if she's been in American since she was four, that pretty much frees me up with her decisions. It wouldn't seem out of the ordinary then for her to just act on her instincts, given the reader is aware of how long she's been in America.

My other question would be, exactly how well would she speak English if she was raised in America, but kept like a prisoner in her own home? Right now she speaks like this:


"Hi, my name is Sheeku (prolly not very Chinese sounding, is it) I have been in Washington for two weeks."
"Really, so what are you doing in a place like this?"
"Clean when this place closes. This is my job."
"How unfortunate for you to have to clean up after such nasty scum."
"I do not mind so much. I pray to find a better job soon."

Okay, lame made up conversation, but on the parts where the girl talks, is her English good enough, or too good? I get A LOT of grief when I make her English less than above and still some people go, she wouldn't talk like that. But none of these people telling me this are Chinese either. So, I'd love to know from the source.

Thaaaaaaaanks
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I am confused about this post a little bit. You say she has lived in America since she was four right? So I am guessing she lives with her uncle in chinatown, CA? I am guessing you are planning to make her an illegal alien the entire time she is in the US? Or does she become a citizen because her guardian lives here? Is he illegal? The issue would be important because this could ultimately decide how much exposure she gets to American society.

If she is not illegal she would get a SSN and her uncle would be forced to send her to some kind of school where she would be expected to speak English. Her English in those sentences sounds pretty normal.

Edited by Headrick, 13 May 2012 - 05:33 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:06 AM

but I think if she's a seriously super traditional chinese thinking type of person, she'll probably kill herself by bashing her head against the wall once she gets humiliated by the guy "touching" her.
just like so, just to preserve her Chasity.



I think that would only happen a century or two ago.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:05 AM

Why in the world would some here think it is "Chinese" for someone to commit suicide to save her / his dignity?




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