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[YummYakitori]

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Edited by YummYakitori, 16 December 2012 - 02:04 AM.

[askar9992]

During Qing Dynasty, when Mongolia was occupied by China, Chinese went into Mongolia and married to Mongolians and gave birth to Sino-Mongols. These children were a mix of Han Chinese and Mongolian, so you cannot say Mongolians nowadays are full-blooded Mongols.

OMG! so true!

[mohistManiac]

Please that story happened 60k years ago when the first migrants crossing from south China reached all the way to Sibera. Afterwards thousands of things could have happened including being Caucasianized by Tarim Basin folk who brought horses and such.

[baybal]

Even before that, when Mongolia occupied parts of China and Russia, women from China and Russia went into Mongolia and married to Mongolians. So these Russian people and Chinese gave birth to children either a mix of Mongol and Chinese or a mix of Mongol and Russian.

It depends on whom do you call Mongolians. Ancestors of most modern day Mongolians lived in forests in up util 10 century.

[Sayoka]

I believe it is biased, and furthermore, erroneous to use current boundaries to refer to ethnic groups of ancient times; there is no pure blooded ethnicity. It carries the same logic as saying we are all Ethiopian, as all living humans share the same lineage starting from there but this is clearly not the case.

What you say is true, yes, there was mixing of Russian, Chinese, and Mongols but that doesn't make them any less Mongolian; the same for Koreans and Japanese. There will always be genetic mixing (except for a few island ethnic groups) but that doesn't make them any more or less of what they are.

[Korin]

It depends on whom do you call Mongolians. Ancestors of most modern day Mongolians lived in forests in up util 10 century.

What do you mean "lived in forests" - I thought Mongolia was mostly desert, or am I missing something? Sorry for lack of knowledge, it's just that I'm still learning about how Mongolia works. Hey, that's what learning is for, right?

 

 

 It carries the same logic as saying we are all Ethiopian, as all living humans share the same lineage starting from there but this is clearly not the case.
 

Modern humans' ancestors can be traced back to Africa, so we are all african humankind-wise anyways. That's where humankind started, IIRC.

 

Please that story happened 60k years ago when the first migrants crossing from south China reached all the way to Sibera. Afterwards thousands of things could have happened including being Caucasianized by Tarim Basin folk who brought horses and such.

What do you mean "Caucasianized"?

[mohistManiac]

What do you mean "lived in forests" - I thought Mongolia was mostly desert, or am I missing something? Sorry for lack of knowledge, it's just that I'm still learning about how Mongolia works. Hey, that's what learning is for, right?

 

 

Modern humans' ancestors can be traced back to Africa, so we are all african humankind-wise anyways. That's where humankind started, IIRC.

 

What do you mean "Caucasianized"?

I made it from the term sinicized.  The term sinicized means to convert people like the Xianbei to become Chinese because they were not followers of Chinese culture until they realized there was Chinese to the south of them.  Their people and land became included to be recognized as Chinese.  But Caucasianized used here was not in association with a great deal of culture but rather solely with the genetic makeup of the far west from where the Tarim Basin IndoEuropean speaking people could have derived mostly derived in the Eurasian context.  Talking about way back when civilization hadn't been established.  There could also be sinicization in this period or more like Mongolization but it would likewise mean without the Chinese state, civilization, culture etc.

Edited by mohistManiac, 16 April 2013 - 07:20 PM.