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[cantonia's dim sum fak choy]

There is an interesting perspective from the vietnamese author Dr. Joseph M.Vo.

He wrote a book called Vietnam springhead of eastern asian civilization

Its quite fascinating and explains how china is a derivation of vietnam.

as I recall both countries are vastly different.

[f0ma]

I take it you mean: 'Vietnam: The Springhead of Eastern Cultural Civilation' by Du Mien Le Thanh Hoa and translated by Dr. Joseph M. Vo. We had a brief discussion about it here. I wouldn't set much in store by it, it sounds quite outlandish.

[mohistManiac]

I remember my own thoughts about it. The theory is pretty unbelievable and yet if you take a look at the earlier more successful neolithic civilizations in China it didn't happen right at where you would think it would happen. It happened elsewhere like at the flood silt deposit areas of the Yangzi and Yellow rivers creating the Liangzhu and Dawenkou cultures. These areas even had proto writing on their pottery it seemed. Certainly a lot of the ideas worked their way into the interior of China to create the giants like Shang and Zhou in later eras because the ingenuity of the forms and domestic items of areas outside Shang and Zhou control carried right through to the forms and domestic items used by their royalty! So it begs the question did Liangzhu and Dawenkou have anything to do with the politial situation at the onset of what we would call historical China and the answer seems to be yes!

[Tyrion119]

I remember my own thoughts about it. The theory is pretty unbelievable and yet if you take a look at the earlier more successful neolithic civilizations in China it didn't happen right at where you would think it would happen. It happened elsewhere like at the flood silt deposit areas of the Yangzi and Yellow rivers creating the Liangzhu and Dawenkou cultures. These areas even had proto writing on their pottery it seemed. Certainly a lot of the ideas worked their way into the interior of China to create the giants like Shang and Zhou in later eras because the ingenuity of the forms and domestic items of areas outside Shang and Zhou control carried right through to the forms and domestic items used by their royalty! So it begs the question did Liangzhu and Dawenkou have anything to do with the politial situation at the onset of what we would call historical China and the answer seems to be yes!

In this world, almost all things are subjective. You have your opinion and I have mine.

[mohistManiac]

In this world, almost all things are subjective. You have your opinion and I have mine.

I suppose this kind of nonchalant attitude has its uses. You are you and me is me blah blah blah blah.