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#1 f0ma

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:54 AM

In my research today, I came across mention of a conflict called the Manza War (or Manzovskaia Voina in Russian) which took place in 1868, between Chinese workers in Vladivostok and the Russian Empire. I'll attempt to outline the conflict from the information I've gathered so far:

Igor R. Saveliev (2002) gives a brief account, stating that on October 21st 1867, Russian authorities travelled to Askold Island (present day Russky Island) to forcibly acquire gold mines on the island, at the time operated by Qing subjects. The Russian expedition was led by the merchant L. Semenov and a naval captain named Etolin. They were accompanied by a dozen or so sailors. The Chinese responded harshly, beating a sailor. In May 1868, Captain Etolin returned with a larger force. The Chinese fired upon the Russians, killing three and wounding eight others. The Russians responded by taking sixty prisoners, but the conflict soon spread to other parts of the frontier. A Russian major named Goriashev expected a 2,000 strong Chinese counter-attack. This prompted the Governor of Eastern Sibera (Mikhail S. Korsakov) to impose a curfew. After a small scale Chinese response, the sixty original prisoners were put on trial. Some were relocated inside the Russian Empire, whilst the majority were deported back to China.

Joana Breidenbach (2005) gives another account, stating that the Russians original intent was to close down the gold mines, rather than acquire them (though she could be referring to the motives of the May expedition). She also states that 1,000 Chinese were employed on the island at the time. Finally, she provides detail to the Chinese military response, which involved the workers banding together and attacking three Russian villages and two military outposts. Interestingly, Saveliev and Breidenbach both reach different conclusions about the 'war', with Saveliev declaring it a Russian victory and Breidenbach declaring it a Chinese victory.

There's also a short book written about the war in Russian, called 'Manzovskaia Voina: Dalnii Vostok, 1868 G.' (2004) by R. V. Kondratenko.

Edited by f0ma, 08 August 2012 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:41 AM

1) Qing subjects in Russia had no rights for goldmining. So as it was prohibited they were expelled from the island of Askold.

2) No "war between workers in Vladivostok and Russian troops" took place - really some groups of honghuzi robbed a village and killed 2 Russian villagers' families with high cruelties (cutting in pieces etc). Then they tried to attack some military stations in the Primorsky Region of Russia but were heavily beaten near Dubininsky Stanok and fled to China leaving the things they captured in the robbed village. Then Russian troops cleared the territory from small groups of honghuzi which tried to escape pursuit. Famous traveller Nikolay Przhevalsky took place in those events as he was in the military service as the Staff-Captain of infantry.

If you are able to read Russian please look at the book (1908) based upon the original reports of Colonel Tikhmenev who was in the carge of Russian forces in that conflict:
http://www.vostlit.i...v_N_M/text1.htm
http://www.vostlit.i...v_N_M/text2.htm
http://www.vostlit.i...v_N_M/text3.htm
http://www.vostlit.i...v_N_M/text4.htm
http://www.vostlit.i...v_N_M/text5.htm
http://www.vostlit.i...v_N_M/text6.htm

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:32 AM

Thank you for your reply and for shedding some more light upon this interesting subject. I agree, there was no real war; I was just using the term as I've seen it documented. I suppose there was a larger difference between the Chinese immigrants and the Chinese aliens in Russia than I first thought. I know the Russian government passed several laws permitting Chinese rights to gold mining in 1860/1865, but I guess these didn't apply to those still under nominal Qing jurisdiction.

Unfortunately I cannot read Russian, though the translator on my browser doesn't do a terrible job with them. Thanks for sharing these!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:16 AM

I know the Russian government passed several laws permitting Chinese rights to gold mining in 1860/1865, but I guess these didn't apply to those still under nominal Qing jurisdiction.


To mine the old any subject of Russian Empire shpuld have the permission. So all Manzi on the island of Askold had not those documents and were hostile to the authorities. It was suspected the main part of them were not usual Chinese men came to Russian territory to earn money, but real Jinfei.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:32 AM

To mine the old any subject of Russian Empire shpuld have the permission. So all Manzi on the island of Askold had not those documents and were hostile to the authorities. It was suspected the main part of them were not usual Chinese men came to Russian territory to earn money, but real Jinfei.


Jinfei? I thought most of the Chinese there were old Qing subjects who had remained in the area after it had been ceded to the Russians in the 1858/1860 treaties, so they weren't immigrants at all - at least not legal ones.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:42 AM

Jinfei? I thought most of the Chinese there were old Qing subjects who had remained in the area after it had been ceded to the Russians in the 1858/1860 treaties, so they weren't immigrants at all - at least not legal ones.


Yes. Jinfei 金匪 means the professional illegal goldminer in Qing. So they moved to Russia when got the info about abundancy of gold in some islands.

The Han Chinese population in 1850th in Primorsky Region was absent - only local tribes and some Manchu people (mostly hunters and completely not officials). Probably it was connected with the restriction to the han Chinese to move to the Dong Sansheng at all till the 1850th.

Han Chinese men began to move to the territories ceded to Russia in the end of 1850th. There are a lot of surveys of the territory made by Russian officials indicating the increment of Chinese population. It was summarized by famous Russian scholar and traveller Vladimir Arseniev.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:51 AM

Ah thank you for clearing that up :)

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 02:51 AM

Some demographic materials regarding Han Chinese and Manchu in Primorsky Region (it should be taken into consideration that all these data are approximate as due to the absence of Qing officoals in the region no statistics were made and all data were gathered by Russian officials and travellers by questioning of old people of all nationalities):

ca. 1831 - 6 boats with manchu bannermen from Hunchun 珲春 under zhangguida Salie Kia (sic!) came to gather sea weeds in the vicinity of modern Valdivostok and built 2 houses for seasonal dwelling. Most of the seasonal workers in those houses were Manchu, but then there was built whole village called Shimen (Stone Gate) and there were detected several guys from Shandong as the servants of Manchu bannermen.

ca. 1844 - first ginseng gatherers came. Nobody knows if they were Han Chinese or Manchu.

ca. 1849 - 2 farms were built to provide Han Chinese and Manchu ginseng gatherers and hunters with vegetables.

ca. 1859 - first Russian villages (ca. 250 families from Perm) appeared in the southern part of the region.

1860 - Vladivostok founded as the military station with the garrison of 40 soldiers + 1 military officer.

1865 - the first crime by honghuzi was detected in the region.

1868 - so called Manzi War occured. In that time there were about 4000 Han Chinese and Manchu (according to the data of Nikolay Przhevalsky, who was engaged in the population census and enlisted ca. 1245 Russians in the region except for the military personnell and their families) but the most part of them were seasonal workers, or about 8000 (according to the evaluation of Rear Admiral Ivan Furugelm, the Governor of the region). There also were more than 1000 Korean immigrants who dislike Chinese people settled forever in these territories and did not intend to come back to Korea. In that time the first Chinese woman in the region was detected during the punishment expedition against honghuzi - no Chinese women were seen before. Chinese hunters and sea weed gatherers used to force local tribesmen to ceed them their women for season.

1885 - the proportion between Russians and Chinese population in the region was like 2 Russians vs. 1 Chinese. Total quantity of Manchu & Chinese population in Amur and Primorsky Regions was ca. 35000.

So the main battle of Manzi War on May 29, 1868 near Dubininsky Stanok engaged not more than 1 thousand of combatants from both sides (not more than 500 honghuzi and 2-3 hundreds of Russian soldiers, volunteers and Cossaks).

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:25 AM

Good paper about the Chinese leaders of Manzi during the Manzi War (some of them were loyal to local Russian authoritits and some were not).

It was written by my friend Dmitry Kiselyev, the scholar from Vladivostok. He is living now in Moscow and wrote a book about honghuzi in 2010 - "Honghuzi: the undeclared war. Ethnical banditry in Far Eastern Region":
http://www.litres.ru...dalnem-vostoke/

You may download it by the link at ca. USD 3.00 But it is in Russian. The English version could be done if there were the sponsor to translate and publish it abroad.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:30 AM

Some portraits of main heroes of Manzi War:

1. Rear Admiral Ivan Furugelm (1821-1909, the Governor of the Region in 1865-187):
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2. Famous Russian traveller Nikolay Przhevalsky (1839-1888, Staff Capitan of Infantry in the Region in 1867-1868):
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:59 AM

Data from the son of Colonel Michail Tikhmenev, who led Russian troops in the Manzi War:
Battle at Dubininsky Stanok May 29 (June 11 by Gregorian calendar) 1868
Russian troops - 212 men (135 infantry soldiers + 75 Cossaks) + about 20 civilian volunteers (they were sent from the troops before the battle)
Manzi militia - ca. 400 men
Russian casualties: 1 KIA, 2 WIA
Manzi casualties: ca. 50 KIA, abot 300 men fled
The battle lasted for ca. 6 hours.

Another group of Manzi militia under the command of Li Gui reached ca. 400-1000 Chiniese, Manchu and tribesmen and was awaitnig the result of the maiin clash to support the victor. It was disarmed and dismissed by Russian troops after the aforementioned battle.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:12 AM

The samples of Russian uniform for 1863-1867 one may see here:
http://listat.ru/T31/T31_sod.htm

Regarding the outlook of Manzi I believe their appearance was not too far from members of Yihetuan or Hongqianghui, but yielding mostly matchlocks and hunting knives rather then sabers and pikes (but a lot of pikes were detected among Manzi militiamen of Li Gui).

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:00 AM

Probably Manzi militia could look like this scetch made by Russian painter in Manzhuria in 1900:
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But I think one could lack the cloths pieces, hanging from the belt as they look like the belonging of the Manchu military uniform.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 03:48 PM

Um, why are immigrants called 'aliens' - that's kinda dumb. Just call them immigrants, or my alien theory is correct. LOL


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 07:44 PM

a·li·en  
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Belonging to a foreign country or nation.
 
 
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